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[Lordo]

i dont think the europeans ever believed that such stupid and small minded people will be amongst them.

the real question is will it help peace. demonuimmu when the ball in un the bunker you stop hitting the ball. all you do is just get deeper.

groc groc groc. god bless all who sail in her.

[Viewpoint]

İsnt this law against their own consititution Ercan being the Turkish name for this area of North Cyprus?

Let me consult a lawyer and get back to you....







Okay. The answer is....no!

I think you will find it can be challenged as your constitution rules you have Turkish as an official language and that this area has a Turkish name, hey but do we really care enough to challenge nope call it waht you like you have been doing do for the past god knows how many years, makes no difference what so ever, you are not getting it back.

[Demonax]

I think you will find it can be challenged as your constitution rules you have Turkish as an official language and that this area has a Turkish name, hey but do we really care enough to challenge nope call it waht you like you have been doing do for the past god knows how many years, makes no difference what so ever, you are not getting it back.

Typical VP. First he's outraged at a development. Then he wants to challenge it on the basis of the constitution. Then he remembers that he's not supposed to believe in the constitution. Then in the end he decides it makes no difference anyway.

You could save us all a lot of time by just not bothering, VP.

[Viewpoint]

I think you will find it can be challenged as your constitution rules you have Turkish as an official language and that this area has a Turkish name, hey but do we really care enough to challenge nope call it waht you like you have been doing do for the past god knows how many years, makes no difference what so ever, you are not getting it back.

Typical VP. First he's outraged at a development. Then he wants to challenge it on the basis of the constitution. Then he remembers that he's not supposed to believe in the constitution. Then in the end he decides it makes no difference anyway.

You could save us all a lot of time by just not bothering, VP.

You are right, its just not worth a fig you morons will never unite this island.

[Demonax]

You are right...

Of course I am. No point in arguing about it.

[Kikapu]

No Ercan no deal.

Lets assume Ercan is included in the deal under EU control as well as the Famagusta port, just how is the EU going to deal with all the Illegal Aliens in the north, coming and going to Turkey. Just how is the EU going to run these ports if they can't refuse entry to all the Illegal Aliens, unless they first apply for a visa before arriving to the north. Any ideas?

VP, I would still like for you to address the above please.

Also, as for "Checks & Balances", you have seen what happened in Egypt when the government ignores those who did not vote for them, the minority groups. Similar dissatisfactions by the minority groups in Turkey also. So you see, a majority cannot do what ever they want, which has been your main argument to the contrary. In a Democracy, or even in non-democratic countries like Egypt and Turkey, the rulers can only get away with so much before they too pay the price. Surely you don't believe a majority in Cyprus can do what ever they want towards their minority groups do you, a EU member country at that?

[Viewpoint]

No Ercan no deal.

Lets assume Ercan is included in the deal under EU control as well as the Famagusta port, just how is the EU going to deal with all the Illegal Aliens in the north, coming and going to Turkey. Just how is the EU going to run these ports if they can't refuse entry to all the Illegal Aliens, unless they first apply for a visa before arriving to the north. Any ideas?

VP, I would still like for you to address the above please.

Also, as for "Checks & Balances", you have seen what happened in Egypt when the government ignores those who did not vote for them, the minority groups. Similar dissatisfactions by the minority groups in Turkey also. So you see, a majority cannot do what ever they want, which has been your main argument to the contrary. In a Democracy, or even in non-democratic countries like Egypt and Turkey, the rulers can only get away with so much before they too pay the price. Surely you don't believe a majority in Cyprus can do what ever they want towards their minority groups do you, a EU member country at that?

Addressing your first point, this is simple the tourists can enter and leave as they wish but anyone wishing to work or reside in the TRNC has to apply for permission.

Your second point contradicts what you have been saying for years, just think about...you support the majority and their right to do as they wish just as the GCs wanted to give Cyprus to Greece regardless of the TC wishes, but now you are saying this is not possible and that the minority cannot be ignored eg Turkey and Egypt...please make up your mind. Do you support the fight of the TCs?

[Kikapu]

No Ercan no deal.

Lets assume Ercan is included in the deal under EU control as well as the Famagusta port, just how is the EU going to deal with all the Illegal Aliens in the north, coming and going to Turkey. Just how is the EU going to run these ports if they can't refuse entry to all the Illegal Aliens, unless they first apply for a visa before arriving to the north. Any ideas?

VP, I would still like for you to address the above please.

Also, as for "Checks & Balances", you have seen what happened in Egypt when the government ignores those who did not vote for them, the minority groups. Similar dissatisfactions by the minority groups in Turkey also. So you see, a majority cannot do what ever they want, which has been your main argument to the contrary. In a Democracy, or even in non-democratic countries like Egypt and Turkey, the rulers can only get away with so much before they too pay the price. Surely you don't believe a majority in Cyprus can do what ever they want towards their minority groups do you, a EU member country at that?

Addressing your first point, this is simple the tourists can enter and leave as they wish but anyone wishing to work or reside in the TRNC has to apply for permission.

Your second point contradicts what you have been saying for years, just think about...you support the majority and their right to do as they wish just as the GCs wanted to give Cyprus to Greece regardless of the TC wishes, but now you are saying this is not possible and that the minority cannot be ignored eg Turkey and Egypt...please make up your mind. Do you support the fight of the TCs?

You really did not address my post at all. If you are not interested in having this conversation, then just say so and let’s not waste each other’s time.

Addressing your first point, this is simple the tourists can enter and leave as they wish but anyone wishing to work or reside in the TRNC has to apply for permission.

We are not talking about tourists who are EU member states citizens. If the EU is going to control these ports, then they will need to handle these ports as any other EU ports, which means those who do not need visas can come as tourist with no problem, but those coming from Turkey cannot enter any EU countries without first getting visas, so all the Turks coming from Turkey with Turkish passport will need to get visas before arriving, even as tourists.. All those Turks living in the north today are mainly Illegal Aliens, so once they leave, they cannot return without visas, and if they want to apply for work permits or residence permits, they will need to have a long wait. So basically, all those Illegal Aliens in the north now, once they leave the north, coming back will be based on any other EU country's rules. If this is not done, what will be the purpose of the EU controlling these ports, so please answer that question.

Your second point contradicts what you have been saying for years, just think about...you support the majority and their right to do as they wish just as the GCs wanted to give Cyprus to Greece regardless of the TC wishes, but now you are saying this is not possible and that the minority cannot be ignored eg Turkey and Egypt...please make up your mind. Do you support the fight of the TCs?

Lets stay with the present and not drift to the past, since it is today we are interested in a settlement. In any case, since you have brought up the claim that the GCs wanting to give Cyprus to Greece, then why didn't they do that since 1963 when there hasn't been any TCs in the RoC government to veto such an act, just as they did by giving Cyprus to the EU? Any ideas? The 1960's constitution was designed for Cyprus to be partitioned between Greece, Turkey and Britain, so no one has clean hands when it comes to those days. Since there is no such a move to give Cyprus to Greece, then there cannot be a fight by the TCs to prevent such a thing, so what is it you want me to support in what the TCs are trying to do?

You must have gotten me mixed up with Erdogan and Morsi who believe, that just because the majority is elected to power, they can do as they wish. That has been always your claim by scaremongering. Have you once said anything against Erdogan's fascistic rule or have you at all supported the protesters in Turkey and now in Egypt? I don't believe you have not in either case, so does that mean you support the majority to as they wish. You seem to do just that in Erdogan's and Morsi's case, are you not?

I support no such position where the majority can do as they wish, and if you think I do, then you must produce documents backing your claims, otherwise you will look like a liar, specially if you need to have an honest discussion. I support majority rule in a Democratic way with everyone’s democratic and Human Rights protected as per the constitution and the Rule of Law. In any case, majority rule to me is a political distinction and not an ethnic one. Cyprus will have many political parties and each party will have mixed ethnicities, and yes, the majority political party will rule, but not like Erdogan or Morsi who will want to rule by decree rather than democratically involving all the citizens and not just cater for those who had voted for them, or else, peoples "Checks & Balances" will be applied as Morsi found out and so will Erdogan if he doesn't change course very quickly.

[repulsewarrior]

...thanks Kikapu, well said.

Cyprus First, Cypriots Free, and Liberty.

[bill cobbett]

Yes... well said K... but fear you'll get the usual lazy one line response from VP with phrases like "gc domination".