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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:52 pm

stpier wrote:You know what ignorance is? It is smashing Turkey in every opportunity in this forum because Turks did not let you turn Cyprus into a Greek island. As a secular Turk, I don't agree with Tim's choice of showing his support this way, I am sure his Gezi posts would appear in google search in more constructive forums as well if his real intention is spreading out the word. Plus Turks would have appreciated him for showing solidarity, but not like this for sure.


...and because some choose to bash, the rest of us are painted with the same brush, ignored because we are not "Turkish", which is to say not supporters of the Turkey Erdogan proposes. you should consider that the world is not divided between Erdogan's Turkey, and the "enemies" of Turkey, the world is not made up of "Greeks" and "Turks" (or, "Turks" ("Greek") and "not Turk"(not Greek")) alone. perhaps this forum is a collection of views for the Freedom which comes from free expression, and not a "Greek" forum, just a collection of Individuals with Cyprus in mind. Ignorance, is, "smashing Turkey in every opportunity in this forum because Turks did not let you turn Cyprus into a Greek island", i ask you to consider who the "you" is in this statement? if the population, overwhelmingly Greek came out to support the coup, i would agree with you; the "Greeks", but they are not as many as that, then an now, the coup failed (in hours, if not days) because Cypriots do not support their aims.

...you, stpier, are you "Turkish"? i am Greek, but no "Greek". it is hard to imagine someone Turkish or Greek who is Cypriot to be such a fan of Turkey, its Government, as it is today. in any case, it is time for a change in your attitude of mind, (if i may be so bold), and in ("your") Turkey, if you are what you say you are, a Human being, not a "Turk"/"Greek", (to better yourself, you must overcome the fear you have within yourself) i suggest that it is this hatred you have that allows you to dismiss "others" which must stop, by acting accordingly.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby stpier » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:05 pm

repulsewarrior wrote: in any case, it is time for a change in your attitude of mind, if you are what you say you are, a Human being, not a "Turk"/"Greek", (to better yourself, you must overcome the fear you have within yourself) i suggest that it is this hatred you have that allows you to dismiss "others" which must stop, by acting accordingly.


Thanks for your useless lecture aimed at b25.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Demonax » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:10 pm

Can we please recall what this thread is about:

Turkey accused of gross human rights violations in Gezi Park protests

Turkish authorities committed human rights violations on a massive scale in the government’s attempts to crush the Gezi Park protests this summer said Amnesty International.
In a report published today the organization details the worst excesses of police violence, during the protests, the failure to bring these abuses to justice and the subsequent prosecution and harassment of those that took part.

“The attempt to smash the Gezi Park protest movement involved a string of human rights violations on a huge scale. They include the wholesale denial of the right to peaceful assembly and violations of the rights to life, liberty and the freedom from torture and ill-treatment,” said Andrew Gardner, Amnesty International’s expert on Turkey.

A “democratization package” announced by the Prime Minister on Monday fails to address these violations or to take any serious steps to ensure that they will not occur in the future.

Amnesty International’s report, Gezi Park protests: Brutal denial of the right to peaceful assembly in Turkey, details how the use of live ammunition, tear gas, water cannon, plastic bullets and beatings of protestors left more than 8,000 people injured at the scene of demonstrations. The deaths of at least three protestors have been linked to the abusive use of force by police.

The organization monitored demonstrations in Istanbul and Ankara and interviewed scores of people in four cities across Turkey who were injured by police or who were unlawfully detained, beaten or sexually assaulted during detention.

The report documents how:

• Protesters and others were severely beaten resulting in one death and scores of injuries.
• Police frequently fired plastic bullets directly at protesters’ heads and upper bodies;
• Tear gas canisters were routinely fired directly at protestors, bystanders and sometimes into residential buildings and medical facilities, resulting in hundreds of injuries and, according to witnesses, at least one death;
• Chemical irritants were added to water cannon supply tanks;
• Women protesters were sexually abused by law enforcement officials;
• Live ammunition was used, killing one protester

“The levels of violence used by police in the course of Gezi Park protests clearly show what happens when poorly trained, poorly supervised police officers are instructed to use force - and encouraged to use it unsparingly – safe in the knowledge that they are unlikely ever to be identified or prosecuted for their abuses,“ said Andrew Gardner.


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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:12 pm

stpier wrote:
B25 wrote:
stpier wrote:You know what ignorance is? It is smashing Turkey in every opportunity in this forum because Turks did not let you turn Cyprus into a Greek island. As a secular Turk, I don't agree with Tim's choice of showing his support this way, I am sure his Gezi posts would appear in google search in more constructive forums as well if his real intention is spreading out the word. Plus Turks would have appreciated him for showing solidarity, but not like this for sure.


We are highlighting the kind of people the Turks are for the brutal invasion, rape, murder and pillage of our people and home.

Wherever the turk goes, you have nothing but death and destruction. Come on, name a single thing the Turk can be accoladed for, and invention, a structure (that was their own doing, not stolen from another civilisation). I wait.

Then you wonder why the world hates the Turk. The Turk loving treacherous GCs excepted.

On yer bike laddie, take your cheap Turkish bullshit to one of your Turk forums where everyone agrees with you.


Tim, this is the profile of an average "progressive" south Cypriot who follows your translations on this forum. Such a waste of your efforts really.


You really do not understand, I am afraid. The fact that this thread has amazingly high Google ratings means that it us not only the regulars on this forum who are following it. However, you may have done me a great favour. On average, I am speeding two hours a day trawling the Turkish press (well, certain papers that are favourable to the Gezi protests) and putting up translated summaries of reports about what I think are significant developments. I was doing this in the belief that I was giving a small amount of support to the movement. So far, I have had no indication that anybody out there, either involved in the Gezi movement or who genuinely is looking for information about what is going on apart from what the Cemaat-controlled media has to say, appreciates these efforts, so, as you say, I am wasting my time and I have better things to do. Thank you, and my profuse apologies if I caused you any offence.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby stpier » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:19 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
stpier wrote:
B25 wrote:
stpier wrote:You know what ignorance is? It is smashing Turkey in every opportunity in this forum because Turks did not let you turn Cyprus into a Greek island. As a secular Turk, I don't agree with Tim's choice of showing his support this way, I am sure his Gezi posts would appear in google search in more constructive forums as well if his real intention is spreading out the word. Plus Turks would have appreciated him for showing solidarity, but not like this for sure.


We are highlighting the kind of people the Turks are for the brutal invasion, rape, murder and pillage of our people and home.

Wherever the turk goes, you have nothing but death and destruction. Come on, name a single thing the Turk can be accoladed for, and invention, a structure (that was their own doing, not stolen from another civilisation). I wait.

Then you wonder why the world hates the Turk. The Turk loving treacherous GCs excepted.

On yer bike laddie, take your cheap Turkish bullshit to one of your Turk forums where everyone agrees with you.


Tim, this is the profile of an average "progressive" south Cypriot who follows your translations on this forum. Such a waste of your efforts really.


You really do not understand, I am afraid. The fact that this thread has amazingly high Google ratings means that it us not only the regulars on this forum who are following it. However, you may have done me a great favour. On average, I am speeding two hours a day trawling the Turkish press (well, certain papers that are favourable to the Gezi protests) and putting up translated summaries of reports about what I think are significant developments. I was doing this in the belief that I was giving a small amount of support to the movement. So far, I have had no indication that anybody out there, either involved in the Gezi movement or who genuinely is looking for information about what is going on apart from what the Cemaat-controlled media has to say, appreciates these efforts, so, as you say, I am wasting my time and I have better things to do. Thank you, and my profuse apologies if I caused you any offence.


Thanks Tim and my apologies to you.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Demonax » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:23 pm

As Turkey moves inexorably into a police state, reports of an astonishing new Turkish law that allows you to be arrested for ‘possibly’ being a protester:

New law to permit Turkish police to detain ‘possible’ protesters

A new regulation will allow Turkish police to detain those who possess the “risk of conducting a protest” from 12 to 24 hours without the demand of a prosecutor or a judge, prompting acute worries from opposition deputies.

The new regulations that will be conducted jointly by the justice and interior ministries will allow the police to detain a suspect who “may hold a protest” for up to 24 hours without any court decision while also increasing the penalties for resistance to police and damaging public property.

The move to strengthen police powers was precipitated by the countrywide Gezi Park protests, which began at the end of May.

Organizations which “tend to hold protests” will be monitored and their members could be detained by police if intelligence reports suggest they are planning to conduct a demonstration or action.

A judge will also be able to extend the 24-hour detention period if desired. Under the current law, a judge’s or prosecutor’s order is necessary to detain people in such cases.

The regulations will also increase the penalties for resistance to police and damage to public property. Those who possess Molotov cocktails might be sentenced to up to five years in prison under the new regulations. The draft also includes a board to regulate security forces, which will monitor malpractice within the institutions.

Criticizing the moves, Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) deputy leader Semih Yalçın said the regulations were “signs of police state.”

“These attempts might drag the country into chaos. The governments who attempt to do that will end in vain,” Yalçın told daily Hürriyet Oct. 6.

Main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) deputy Ali Serindağ said the regulation did not comply with the rule of law. “Giving the security forces such an authority without the permission of a prosecutor does not comply with rule of law. … Besides, the police must be well trained in intervening against demonstrations,” he added.

Another CHP deputy, İlhan Cihaner, described the regulation as a step behind “the inquisition” and “beyond fascism.”

“Now you can be detained just for being you even though you didn’t attend any protest,” Cihaner said.


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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Demonax » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:31 pm

Here is a link for the Amnesty International Report (pdf) on the Gezi Park protests. It is extensive and damning especially regarding extra-legal oppression:

http://www.amnesty.org.tr/ai/system/fil ... arkiEN.pdf
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby B25 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:34 pm

stpier wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote: in any case, it is time for a change in your attitude of mind, if you are what you say you are, a Human being, not a "Turk"/"Greek", (to better yourself, you must overcome the fear you have within yourself) i suggest that it is this hatred you have that allows you to dismiss "others" which must stop, by acting accordingly.


Thanks for your useless lecture aimed at b25.

Ok, so tell us again, why a scumbag turk wants to come to the enemy forum and lecture us on what we should be saying.
Just bugger off to your own forums and mind your own f business.

Tim, i am disappointed in you, really, you have bowed this thug's pressure as he/she/it dictates to you, and yet you apologise? Jesuuuuuus Christ!

With dictators like Stupider, who needs morons like VP?
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Demonax » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:36 pm

Istanbul's Divan Hotel wins ‘Hospitality Innovation Award’ for sheltering Gezi Park protesters.

Divan Hotel which sheltered Gezi Park protesters awarded

PKF hotelexperts, based in Germany’s Munich, has awarded Turkey’s Divan Hotel with its “Hospitality Innovation Award” for displaying “civil solidarity, courage and hospitality in crisis situations” during the Gezi Park protests in Istanbul.

The Divan chain’s Istanbul hotel, which is located directly opposite Gezi Park in Taksim, became a shelter for the protesters who were escaping from the fierce police intervention.

The award, which is one of the most prestigious of its field, will host the annual hotel development conference for hotel and real estate professionals. The event will take place at hotel Bayrischer Hof in Munich on Oct. 2013.


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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:01 pm

An excellent recipient for the award for sheltering Gezi Park protesters.

News in English from this past weekend on the deplorable state of press freedom in Turkey

From... http://www.aawsat.net/2013/10/article55319012

"... London, Asharq Al-Awsat—The state of Turkish journalism and government restrictions on the freedom of the press remain in the spotlight, with one media advocacy group accusing Ankara of waging the “world’s biggest crackdown” on media freedoms.

In exclusive comments to Asharq Al-Awsat, Ricardo Gutiérrez, the general secretary of the European Federation of Journalists (EFJ), said: “Turkish journalists are deeply concerned about the restrictions being imposed on their profession, which in many cases includes arbitrary detention and restrictions on the freedom of the press.”
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