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[stpier]

It is a small world, because I used to live in Izmit. I have drunk çene suyu (the water for which that city is famous). You may even have met me! I will take your word for it that you have attended the Gezi protests. You sound like an MHP supporter to me, and I hardly associate that party with the Gezi protests. Even so, I will take your word for it. Unless I receive a message to the contrary, this is the last time that I post any news about the Gezi protests on this thread. On the other hand, if any progressive people out there tell me they wish me to continue, I will do so.

I am a CHP supporter and since you lived in Turkey by now you should know we're one regarding Cyprus. You don't have the sympathy of any Turk if you seriously believe Turkey is "işgalci" there. You have my full support in posting your translations in non-enemy forums. I am pretty sure you will continue your posts here as well, just make sure those progressive people who will change your mind are not b25, greekwoman, kurupetos etc.
You still owe me an apology for calling me göt kılı. You can do it in private and I will also apologize.

I have nothing but respect and admiration for you if you have taken part in these protests, as you say. The fact that my opinions on Cyprus diverge from those of the CHP does not mean that my opinions on the secular republic and the horror that I feel at so much that has gone on in Turkey over the past five years or so diverges from that of CHP supporters. So much is my respect for the Gezi movement that unless I am asked to do so by somebody within this movement or by progressive people somewhere in the world, I will stop making these posts. Please take one thing into consideration though - I have just entered "Ayşe Deniz K" into Google and this thread has come up in sixth place on page one. This shows that through this thread, people are able to access information about this young woman who is now in Alanya jail and is facing charges under the strict anti-terror laws based on the allegation of membership of a terrorist organisation, one of the pieces of evidence for which as shown on the indictment filed by the public prosecutor with the court is that she was wearing "a red coloured neckerchief which symbolises socialism". I would like the world to know about this outrage, which makes my blood boil, just as much as, for example, the bogus evidence supposedly consisting of documents written 2003 in the Calibri font when that font did not exist in that year used in another well-known trial. Because this thread has such a high Google ranking, people in the world who do not read Turkish are able to come to this thread and get information about such outrages. You really misunderstand me, but my respect for those who have actually gone out and faced tear gas and water cannon first hand knows no bounds, and if you wish me to desist, and nobody from the movement tells me otherwise, then I will do so.

I mistook you for an Erdoğan/Cemaat supporter, and apologise for that. I make no apologies for the question that I asked, though, you must surely be able to see the irony behind it.

You can't support secular Turks in an anti-Turkish forum. These people are Turkey haters, they want you to continue because they are delighted to hear bad news on Turkey. I read the reactions on this thread and I don't see a single progressive person as you claim. If you really want to show solidarity with the Gezi Parkı spirit / Atatürk's Turkey / Ecevit's CHP movement, this is really the wrongest place ever. I hope you understand this. Again if you don't believe me, I am ready to prove it by asking other secular Turks. All it takes is showing greekwoman, b25, bill cobbett's posts to them.

[Jerry]

Please don't cave in to the demands from our "enemy" Tim. Your posts and updates on what is really happening in Turkey are important for all to see.

[Demonax]

Because this thread has such a high Google ranking, people in the world who do not read Turkish are able to come to this thread and get information about such outrages. You really misunderstand me, but my respect for those who have actually gone out and faced tear gas and water cannon first hand knows no bounds, and if you wish me to desist, and nobody from the movement tells me otherwise, then I will do so.

With respect, Tim, why would a genuine Gezi Park protester want you to stop posting about the ongoing protests? Because it paints a poor image of Turkey abroad? It plays into the hands of Turkey's enemies? Am I really reading this? This is Erdogan and Bagis's argument! Not those of the Gezi Park protesters!

We have a right to know what is going on in Turkey. It's bad enough that the local Turkish media are silenced but there is no reason for overseas sites and forums to cave in to censorship.

The Turkish authorities have organised an international media campaign hiring hundreds of supporters to post spurious messages of support for the Turkish government on international social media.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 1479634742

No censorship here. We will post what we bloody well like.

[bill cobbett]

Because this thread has such a high Google ranking, people in the world who do not read Turkish are able to come to this thread and get information about such outrages. You really misunderstand me, but my respect for those who have actually gone out and faced tear gas and water cannon first hand knows no bounds, and if you wish me to desist, and nobody from the movement tells me otherwise, then I will do so.

With respect, Tim, why would a genuine Gezi Park protester want you to stop posting about the ongoing protests? Because it paints a poor image of Turkey abroad? It plays into the hands of Turkey's enemies? Am I really reading this? This is Erdogan and Bagis's argument! Not those of the Gezi Park protesters!

We have a right to know what is going on in Turkey. It's bad enough that the local Turkish media are silenced but there is no reason for overseas sites and forums to cave in to censorship.

The Turkish authorities have organised an international media campaign hiring hundreds of supporters to post spurious messages of support for the Turkish government on international social media.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 1479634742

No censorship here. We will post what we bloody well like.

Way to go friends. Well said.

Any language is a good language to protest in, but you can't beat the international language of English for getting a message out to the whole World.

oh and don't whatever you do try and manipulate rankings in the following way...

Gezi Park Protests

[repulsewarrior]

...i too, Tim, believe that your work is important. indeed, it adds balance to the news, and it is the only way things may change for the better because it stimulates dialog, and new thinking. don't stop writing.

...looking at this little debate from the other side of the coin, i would say that stpier, or B25, are important contributors, and just like vp, they are the foils which measure the convictions of the rest of us, it is their contribution which makes your news contributions more vital, without them we would not be able to measure the need for these efforts.

...stpier, if you are, (were) a protester in Gezi, good on you, but if you are thinking clearly, you would realise that the world is not divided into "Turks" and those who are not Turkish enough. you would appreciate that there is a bigger enemy in Ignorance.

[stpier]

You know what ignorance is? It is smashing Turkey in every opportunity in this forum because Turks did not let you turn Cyprus into a Greek island. As a secular Turk, I don't agree with Tim's choice of showing his support this way, I am sure his Gezi posts would appear in google search in more constructive forums as well if his real intention is spreading out the word. Plus Turks would have appreciated him for showing solidarity, but not like this for sure.

[B25]

You know what ignorance is? It is smashing Turkey in every opportunity in this forum because Turks did not let you turn Cyprus into a Greek island. As a secular Turk, I don't agree with Tim's choice of showing his support this way, I am sure his Gezi posts would appear in google search in more constructive forums as well if his real intention is spreading out the word. Plus Turks would have appreciated him for showing solidarity, but not like this for sure.

We are highlighting the kind of people the Turks are for the brutal invasion, rape, murder and pillage of our people and home.

Wherever the turk goes, you have nothing but death and destruction. Come on, name a single thing the Turk can be accoladed for, and invention, a structure (that was their own doing, not stolen from another civilisation). I wait.

Then you wonder why the world hates the Turk. The Turk loving treacherous GCs excepted.

On yer bike laddie, take your cheap Turkish bullshit to one of your Turk forums where everyone agrees with you.

[bill cobbett]

You know what ignorance is? It is smashing Turkey in every opportunity in this forum because Turks did not let you turn Cyprus into a Greek island. As a secular Turk, I don't agree with Tim's choice of showing his support this way, I am sure his Gezi posts would appear in google search in more constructive forums as well if his real intention is spreading out the word. Plus Turks would have appreciated him for showing solidarity, but not like this for sure.

So your bottom line is that you want to stifle peaceful freedom of speech when it disagrees with your point of view.

What's it been...??? Some 80 pages of posts on the Gezi Park Protests and Chemical Erdy's appalling way, way over the top reaction, leading to the deaths of several protesters and Stupider appears several months in to the protests, on the 81st page and then only to try to bully others to keep silent about the matter...!!!

[stpier]

You know what ignorance is? It is smashing Turkey in every opportunity in this forum because Turks did not let you turn Cyprus into a Greek island. As a secular Turk, I don't agree with Tim's choice of showing his support this way, I am sure his Gezi posts would appear in google search in more constructive forums as well if his real intention is spreading out the word. Plus Turks would have appreciated him for showing solidarity, but not like this for sure.

We are highlighting the kind of people the Turks are for the brutal invasion, rape, murder and pillage of our people and home.

Wherever the turk goes, you have nothing but death and destruction. Come on, name a single thing the Turk can be accoladed for, and invention, a structure (that was their own doing, not stolen from another civilisation). I wait.

Then you wonder why the world hates the Turk. The Turk loving treacherous GCs excepted.

On yer bike laddie, take your cheap Turkish bullshit to one of your Turk forums where everyone agrees with you.

Tim, this is the profile of an average "progressive" south Cypriot who follows your translations on this forum. Such a waste of your efforts really.

[bill cobbett]

News today of a mass action at the ECHR by relatives of the Gezi Park Protestors who have given up on an effective local remedy in Erdogan's Turkey...

Reported in Hurriyet...

...“We were obliged to bring this issue to the international arena because of the excessive and common breaches to the rights that derive from the European Convention on Human Rights and the universal human rights, and also the blockage of the domestic remedy,” said Yapıcı, who is also the General Secretary of the Chamber of Architects and Engineers’ (TMMOB) Istanbul office. “Compelled by these factors, we appeal to the ECHR before exhausting the domestic remedies...”