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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:58 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Reprisals and crack-downs against protesters continue in Erdogan's Turkey, with a return to what one writer would describe as ...

A revival of the old state, a relapse in to the old dictatorial ways under a new identity...

..."The apparent crackdown against the media, intimidation of business and heightened rhetoric, says Dagi, marks Turkey’s relapse into a familiar, older style of politics. For decades, the state, led by the powerful military and a secularist bureaucracy, had kept the domestic press, the business community and even elected politicians on a tight leash. The moderately Islamist AKP’s surprise election victory in 2002 and its liberalizing reforms in its first years in power marked, or seemed to mark, a long awaited break with the past. Things have since gone full circle, says Dagi. After this summer, he says, it’s clear that the AKP has “revived the old state, just with a new identity.”

More at... http://world.time.com/2013/07/30/in-tur ... z2af0y1Fiz


I had to go here to find a readable version of the article:

http://www.newsxs.com/en/go/13054814/Ya ... rnational/

The conclusions are I think true, but one has to realise that at least the old corrupt, repressive, ossified Kemalist regime was rooted in secularism, surely a prerequisite for pluralistic democracy, and paid at least lip service to a broadly progressive ideology that saw Turkey take its place among the modern, democratic nations of the world, whereas there is nothing in the least bit progressive about the AKP's core ideology.


Do you think it is regressing to the policies of a 7th century peadofile?
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Get Real! » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:06 pm

The Islamist dogs are at it again…

"Erasing the Christian past"
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21 ... stian-past
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Demonax » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:32 am

Not quite there yet... Democracy in Turkey.

‘Gezi protesters should be sentenced to life in prison,' says AK Party official

Mehmet Ali Şahin, deputy chairman of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party), said the “Gezi Park protests should be deemed a crime against the government and punished with life imprisonment,” in a controversial speech during a program on the TRT News channel on Wednesday.

Şahin, referring to the Gezi Park protests which started in late May against a government plan to replace İstanbul's central park with a replica of an Ottoman-era military barracks and turned into a nationwide movement, said: “In my opinion, the protesters aimed to oust the government. Therefore the protests must be assessed within the context of Turkish Penal Code [TCK] Article 312.”

The mentioned article, under the title “Crimes against government,” stipulates aggravated life imprisonment for people who attempt to overthrow or prevent the government from performing its duties.

Main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) Deputy Chairman and spokesman Haluk Koç, commenting on Şahin's statement in a press conference on Thursday, said, “Will you put half of Turkey in prison, Mr. Şahin?”

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_g ... sId=322433
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Demonax » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:00 am

Turkish police prevent injured child's parents from speaking

Turkish riot police used batons, water cannons and chemical sprays to prevent the parents of a wounded 14-year-boy from making a public statement about their comatose child.


VIDEO: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/31/world ... index.html
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby B25 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:44 am

Really, is anyone surprised at this, this is Turkey after all we are talking about, I hear screams of condemnations from VP, Lordo, and all those others, NOT.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:49 pm

It’s like the West has only just noticed that Turkey is (1) Islamic, and thus (2) Undemocratic! :lol:

"Turkey's lack of democracy is storing up problems"

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... journalism
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby B25 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:17 pm

Yes, when Saddam did this to his people the US and the UK were quick to get in there to kill him and take the oil fields. Why don't they do the same to Turkey?? Double standards. Why isn't the EU, UN and anyone else demanding sanctions against Turkey?? Now maybe they will understand the monster we are having to deal with. I hope the God that Turkey really does bite the US on the ass.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Maximus » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:23 pm

B25 wrote:Yes, when Saddam did this to his people the US and the UK were quick to get in there to kill him and take the oil fields. Why don't they do the same to Turkey?? Double standards. Why isn't the EU, UN and anyone else demanding sanctions against Turkey?? Now maybe they will understand the monster we are having to deal with. I hope the God that Turkey really does bite the US on the ass.


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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:27 pm

B25 wrote:Yes, when Saddam did this to his people the US and the UK were quick to get in there to kill him and take the oil fields. Why don't they do the same to Turkey?? Double standards. Why isn't the EU, UN and anyone else demanding sanctions against Turkey?? Now maybe they will understand the monster we are having to deal with. I hope the God that Turkey really does bite the US on the ass.


Turkey doesn't have oil. Saddam Hussein's undoing was declaring his intention to replace the petrodollar for the euro.

(Will Cyprus be trading her Gas using dollars? :? - what irony ...)
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby B25 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:29 pm

Maximus wrote:
B25 wrote:Yes, when Saddam did this to his people the US and the UK were quick to get in there to kill him and take the oil fields. Why don't they do the same to Turkey?? Double standards. Why isn't the EU, UN and anyone else demanding sanctions against Turkey?? Now maybe they will understand the monster we are having to deal with. I hope the God that Turkey really does bite the US on the ass.


En delia pouti re, monon ei Kyprei exoun ta archithgia !


Nai H ellino kypei omos.
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