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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:08 am

Following allegations raised in the 19 July issue of Aydınlık magazine, wıth reference to the murder of nıneteen-year-old Ali İsmail Korkmaz, that in the course of the Gezi Resistance a special team of 30-40 people was created in Eskişehir under a special order from among policemen in the anti-terror and security section and that this team intervened against protestors with truncheons and clubs, Eskişehir Bar Association Human Rights Commission has issued a statement including the following:

31 Mayıs’tan sonra 2 gün süresince protestoların artarak devam etmesine rağmen yalnızca 18 kişinin gözaltına alınması, sokak aralarında yalnızca göstericileri dövmekle görevlendirilen balyoz timinin varlığı yönündeki iddiaları kuvvetlendirmektedir. Haziran başlarında Eskişehir Emniyeti içinde görevlendirildiği ileri sürülen balyoz timinin varlığına ilişkin iddialar doğru mudur? Korkmaz’ın darp edildiği gece ve izleyen günlerde darba vesair şiddete maruz kalmış onlarca kişinin durumu Eskişehir’de olağan, yasal bir kolluk faaliyetinin sonucu mudur?

[my translation]
The fact that only 18 people were arrested despite the protests that built up over two days as of 31 May adds weight to allegations as to the existence of a sledgehammer team assigned the sole task of beating up protestors in side streets. Is there any truth to allegations as to the existence of a sledgehammer team allegedly appointed from among the Eskişehir police force at the beginning of June? Is the situation whereby tens of people suffered beatings or violence on the night on which Korkmaz was beaten up and on the following days the result of normal, legal law enforcement activity?


Members of the Eskişehir Resistance Forum marched on Anadolu University in Eskişehir and, in an interview with the university’s assistant rector, demanded that the university’s library be named after Ali İsmail Korkmaz, a demand which they say they will submit in a formal petition.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/?hn=430466&kn=7&ka=4&kb=7
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:54 pm

The latest news from the Ali İsmail Korkmaz murder investigation is that 6 police officers have been brought to the gendarmerie premises to take part in an identity parade before eye witnesses.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/ali_i ... si-1143048
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:00 pm

...shiny, shiny, shiny. (oh oh the image is tarnished, again)

thanks for the updates, Tim. cheers.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Maximus » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:58 pm

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has likened Gezi Park protesters to “piteous rodents” aiming to put a hole in the “ship that 76 million Turkish citizens are in.” Erdoğan said there were some circles among the Gezi protesters who “tried to solve their problems with the government by targeting the country's economy, stability and safety.”
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-321702- ... dents.html

From a commenter at Zaman
3 wrote:Basically this men is saying that we are hamsters. Is any one remembers what Gadaffi said to his people before his final chaos?


Gadaffi called the protestors rising up against his rule rats. Such terms have been cited by Hutu radicals of the Tutsi population before the Rwanda genocide began.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby kimon07 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:16 pm

'Retaliation Campaign': Erdogan Punishes Protesters in Turkey
By Oezlem Gezer and Maximilian Popp

Following mass anti-government protests in Turkey, Ankara is now taking revenge on its critics. Activists and demonstrators are being investigated and intimidated, while journalists are getting fired and insubordinate civil servants transferred far afield.

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http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... ernational
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:33 pm

kimon07 wrote:
'Retaliation Campaign': Erdogan Punishes Protesters in Turkey
By Oezlem Gezer and Maximilian Popp

Following mass anti-government protests in Turkey, Ankara is now taking revenge on its critics. Activists and demonstrators are being investigated and intimidated, while journalists are getting fired and insubordinate civil servants transferred far afield.

Read more:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... ernational


Even before the Gezi protests started, Turkey's prisons were full to bursting point with political prisoners. How much further can it go?
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby bill cobbett » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:51 pm

To answer TD's question...

Prisons in Dictator Erdogan's Turkey can never be filled... he'll just cram more and more in...

... cos he's one of that very dangerous sort of "leader" who see themselves as never, ever being wrong about anything...

... so there is no limit.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Maximus » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:52 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
'Retaliation Campaign': Erdogan Punishes Protesters in Turkey
By Oezlem Gezer and Maximilian Popp

Following mass anti-government protests in Turkey, Ankara is now taking revenge on its critics. Activists and demonstrators are being investigated and intimidated, while journalists are getting fired and insubordinate civil servants transferred far afield.

Read more:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... ernational


Even before the Gezi protests started, Turkey's prisons were full to bursting point with political prisoners. How much further can it go?


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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby kimon07 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:55 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
'Retaliation Campaign': Erdogan Punishes Protesters in Turkey
By Oezlem Gezer and Maximilian Popp

Following mass anti-government protests in Turkey, Ankara is now taking revenge on its critics. Activists and demonstrators are being investigated and intimidated, while journalists are getting fired and insubordinate civil servants transferred far afield.

Read more:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... ernational


Even before the Gezi protests started, Turkey's prisons were full to bursting point with political prisoners. How much further can it go?


For as long as the USA will let it. Until they decide to pull the carpet under his feet. Remember Mumbarak?
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:30 pm

kimon07 wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
'Retaliation Campaign': Erdogan Punishes Protesters in Turkey
By Oezlem Gezer and Maximilian Popp

Following mass anti-government protests in Turkey, Ankara is now taking revenge on its critics. Activists and demonstrators are being investigated and intimidated, while journalists are getting fired and insubordinate civil servants transferred far afield.

Read more:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... ernational


Even before the Gezi protests started, Turkey's prisons were full to bursting point with political prisoners. How much further can it go?


For as long as the USA will let it. Until they decide to pull the carpet under his feet. Remember Mumbarak?


Maybe. I read wıth interest an interview published last year with Selçuk Kozağaçlı, General Chair of the Contemporary Lawyers Association in Turkey, about the increasing use of judicial means as a tool for political repression, and he made the comment in this interview:

Iki yılda bir siyasal alanda 5 bin gözaltı yapan, 3 bin 5 yüz tutuklama yapan bir akla hapishane yetişmesi mümkün değil. Mahkeme yetişmesimümkün değil, çok açık. 105 bin yatakları var zannediyorum, tutuklu sayısı şu anda 130 bine çıkmış durumda.

[my translation]
It is impossible for prisons to keep up with a mentality that makes 5,000 arrests and 3,500 detentions in two years. It is impossible for the courts to keep up; this is abundantly clear. I believe there are 105,000 beds; the number of detainees has now risen to 130,000.


Note that the above statement was made before the latest wave of protests.

It is true that they built a special prison and court complex at Silivri near Istanbul to hold and try the defendants in the Ergenekon trial, and they are apparently going to build another prison and court complex in the same area for the KCK trial (both mainly political trials, in my opinion). So, sure, they can build new prisons, but the system was already creaking before Gezi came along. Erdoğan has decided to solve this issue with yet more repression and, of course, history is littered with examples of the successful crushing of protest in this manner. On the other hand, this strategy does not always succeed. So far, we see ever more protestors coming forward to take the place of those arrested and detained; in a way, Gezi was a continuation of this process. On the other hand, there are problems for Erdoğan and his regime with this strategy. He wants for the time being to carry on with the charade of appearing to take the EU accession process forward, so Turkey can hardly withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights, so everything that happens will eventually be subject to review at the ECHR. Similarly, his regime is unlikely to want to lose face by withdrawing from other similar international conventions, and it is instructive to note that a United Nations commission recently pronounced that the defendants in the Balyoz trial (another political trial, in my view) were denied the right to a fair trial as enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. These factors make it harder to simply crush all opposition in the way that some dictators can. It is not easy to predict where things are going, but I hope and believe that Erdoğan is digging his own grave with the mistakes that he is making.
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