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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:40 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Maximus wrote:How will Turks be spared from it? It seems to be getting more radical by the day/week.


I believe they will, but I am not sure how. Just call it a hunch.


...i'll second that, i have a strong faith in Human instincts too, and the people of Turkey demonstrate clearly that they are very creative (i.e. standing man) in this thinking.

like Cyprus, Greece, and others, it is good (this travail), in that they, the people, will be stronger when they come out of it. Turkey (with its deep state) is no different (if she is willing to play within the rules), there would not be this loss of confidence; "they" have gone too far.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:13 am

Kikapu wrote:
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Tim Drayton wrote:PS There exists a bilateral extradition treaty between Turkey and Morocco.


It’s only worth something if Turkey would want to extradite him. He would even ask for an asylum if Turkey were to make pretend they would want to extradite him back.

They allowed him to leave Turkey for a reason, which was not to embarrass Erdogan's fascistic government.


The story I am now hearing is that there was a computer breakdown which prevented the court order being entered into the relevant data base until 1800 hours on the day on which he left the country at 1630 hours.

That Erdogan's fascistic government has no interest in extraditing him goes without saying, but every attempt must be made to pressurise them. You never know. There are actually four suspects in this case, all arrested for attacking the protestors in the same area with meat cleavers, and the others are still in the country.


Sounds all too convenient to me Tim, so excuse me if i don't buy that Bullcrap. It sounds more like, "listen brother, you have until 6pm to leave Dodge City and never to come back", and not the usual "until sundown" routine, and so he took off at the next available flight to Morocco, thanks to Godfather Erdogan's goons, by giving him a safe passage.


I certainly take your point, and have no doubt that the leading lights in the AKP would love more nothing more than to spirit all four of these defendants out of the country. You still have to be careful about jumping to conclusions, and if this one defendant was assisted in absconding, this begs the question of why the other three were not also allowed to flee.

Turkey is still a place in which the rule of law, to an extent, holds sway - although this is being eroded day by day. The fact that the police had to arrest these people in the first place was a kind of victory. These goons did not really appreciate that people would be photographing and videoing them on their mobiles as they carried out the attack, which left so much evidence that made them clearly recognisable that the police were forced to act. It is also a positive thing that the prosecutor successfully challenged the original decision to release the four. Although the Islamists have infiltrated the judiciary to a considerable extent, not all prosecutors are on their side. The prosecutor on this case appears to be doing his job properly, although there always remains the possibility that he will be replaced by somebody more pliant to the regime's wishes. Based on all of this, I would not totally rule out the possibility that this man will be extradited from Morocco.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:16 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
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Maximus wrote:How will Turks be spared from it? It seems to be getting more radical by the day/week.


I believe they will, but I am not sure how. Just call it a hunch.


...i'll second that, i have a strong faith in Human instincts too, and the people of Turkey demonstrate clearly that they are very creative (i.e. standing man) in this thinking.

like Cyprus, Greece, and others, it is good (this travail), in that they, the people, will be stronger when they come out of it. Turkey (with its deep state) is no different (if she is willing to play within the rules), there would not be this loss of confidence; "they" have gone too far.


I agree with you that the creativity displayed by the Taksim protestors, when compared to the disproportionate violence of the regime which refuses to enter into any kind of dialogue, shows that history is on their side.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:34 am

Meanwhile, there have been developments in the hunt for the killers of 19-year-old Ali İsmail Korkmaz. The two men captured below in the hotel CCTV footage that includes some of the events surrounding this boy’s murder have been identified. They are apparently the owners of a bakery. A statement has been obtained from one of them in which he claimed that they were returning home late after having worked until midnight in the bakery and the events had all finished by the time they did so. It is also being claimed that one of the people seen beating protestors with a baseball bat is named Volkan.

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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:48 am

There was a small demonstration yesterday at the gates to Fethullah Gülen's heavily fortified farmhouse in Pennsylvania, USA.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/protest-f ... ulen-in-pa

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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:08 pm

The protests in Turkey are by no means over, either. Here we see the police making mass arrests at around 0200 this morning in the Istiklal Street area just north of Taksim.

Based on the by now well established precedent, it is safe to assume that those arrested will be given a good beating up at the police station and then released.

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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:34 pm

I see the leader of the MHP, a far right party that is one of the opposition parties in the Turkish parliament has come out with a very strong statement about the cleaver assailant who escaped to Morocco:

There are names at the top behind the unscrupulousness that, in the Prime-Minister’s advanced democracy, carries cleavers and guns in its hands and then is spirited off to Morocco when things get too hot. Prime-minister Erdoğan must without fail make known the person or persons who gave orders to these cleaver wielders, these vermin who aimed kicks at women. In whom did the cleaver-wielding assailant in the heart of Taksim place his trust, from whom did he receive support? How did the cleaver-wielding freak, who claimed to be in dire straits and unable to pay his debts, go to Morocco; who was he financed by?
[my translation]


Given that this is not a party that is a natural ally of the Gezi protestors or even a natural opponent of physical attacks on the supporters of progressive movements,this surely suggests that even he has perceived that the tide is turning against the AKP.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/?hn=428778&kn=6&ka=4&kb=6
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:01 pm

The latest news from the city of Eskişehir is that the police have identified and arrested the baseball bat wielding thugs in civil clothing who gave such a severe beating to 19-year-old Ali İsmail Korkmaz that he died of his injuries.

Ali İsmail in happier days:

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And after receiving the extrajudicial punishment of being beaten into a pulp for expressing his opposition to the Islamofascist regime that is in charge of Turkey:

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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:08 pm

Yet more bad news, I am afraid. The 14-year-old-boy depicted below, only identified by his initials of B.E., has been in intensive care for the past month after having been hit in the head by one of Nonlethal Technologies lethal capsules, fired of course by agents of the Turkish Islamofascist regime, and has been in a coma for some time now.

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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:17 pm

Oh dear. This thread has become a roll call of martyrs.
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