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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:07 am

Demonax wrote:Standing Man protest takes off. Is standing to be now made illegal in Turkey?

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http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/turkey-s-st ... -1.1329955


Unfortunately, the police made 10 arrests even at this totally peaceful, passive protest.

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http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/duran ... mi-1138079
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:01 am

The police are now carrying out raids and making mass arrests in connection with the protests. They have raided 94 addresses in Istanbul and 26 in Ankara, and hundreds of people have been arrested.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/ankar ... ri-1138083
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:23 am

Cap wrote:Shoots him point blank dead in cold blood, then runs away like a pussy.



The lawyer acting for the family of Ethem Sarısülük, pictured being murdered in cold blood above, has requested that the police make the name of the officer who committed the murder - he is still currently actively serving in this capacity! - and his gun available. Information about this officer and his gun have now apparently been passed on to the public prosecutor's office.

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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:04 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Demonax wrote:Standing Man protest takes off. Is standing to be now made illegal in Turkey?

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http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/turkey-s-st ... -1.1329955


Unfortunately, the police made 10 arrests even at this totally peaceful, passive protest.

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http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/duran ... mi-1138079


Sixteen people arrested in the course of the ‘standing still’ protest have been charged with: "resisting the police by standing without using violence or motion".

http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/duran ... me-1138105
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:47 pm

The moment citizens cannot protest peacefully in Turkey without being arrested by the police for no reason at all, then the next step for these protesters is to become violent with destructive on a "Hit & Run" policy, where they will not hang around to be identified after they have caused a major damage with lethal weapons. Next step from Molotov cocktails, they will be replaced by RPGs. Many protesters have already had done their military trainings, so it will be easy for them to move to the next level. This is what Erdogan's Autocratic Turkey will look like soon. It worked for the PKK, so it will also for the other 50% in Turkey. Ayip (disgraceful) Erdogan can take credit for dividing the country in more ways than one, just so he can pretend of being a Sultan from the Ottoman days with his imaginary harem following him.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:35 pm

Kikapu wrote:The moment citizens cannot protest peacefully in Turkey without being arrested by the police for no reason at all, then the next step for these protesters is to become violent with destructive on a "Hit & Run" policy, where they will not hang around to be identified after they have caused a major damage with lethal weapons. Next step from Molotov cocktails, they will be replaced by RPGs. Many protesters have already had done their military trainings, so it will be easy for them to move to the next level. This is what Erdogan's Autocratic Turkey will look like soon. It worked for the PKK, so it will also for the other 50% in Turkey. Ayip (disgraceful) Erdogan can take credit for dividing the country in more ways than one, just so he can pretend of being a Sultan from the Ottoman days with his imaginary harem following him.


Sadly now that the protestors have lost their hold of Gezi - and things like Çapul TV that was broadcasting from there have been lost - things are moving in the regime's direction, although if you read accounts of what went on on Saturday evening and Sunday, there was an amazing fight put up by unarmed citizens in the face of chemical warfare, with whole neighborhoods setting up impromptu barricades. I am still hoping that this protest movement will recover strength and go back on the offensive again.

In the meantime, talking about the division of Turkey, there was a very thoughtful article in Radikal by columnist Tayfun Atay:

http://www.radikal.com.tr/yazarlar/tayf ... us-1137394

which I have translated into English and put up at my website:

http://www.timdrayton.com/a61.html

Even if, as he does, we accept at face value the claim that secularists make up 20-30% of the population of the country - and given that Alevis, who support Ataturk's aspirations for the future of Turkey make up 20-25% of the population of Anatolia, I think this is an understatement - this still makes 15-23 million people. As Atay argues, surely such a large group of people is entitled to determine its own world view and lifestyle, and the attempt to deny this can only be disastrous.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:24 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Kikapu wrote:The moment citizens cannot protest peacefully in Turkey without being arrested by the police for no reason at all, then the next step for these protesters is to become violent with destructive on a "Hit & Run" policy, where they will not hang around to be identified after they have caused a major damage with lethal weapons. Next step from Molotov cocktails, they will be replaced by RPGs. Many protesters have already had done their military trainings, so it will be easy for them to move to the next level. This is what Erdogan's Autocratic Turkey will look like soon. It worked for the PKK, so it will also for the other 50% in Turkey. Ayip (disgraceful) Erdogan can take credit for dividing the country in more ways than one, just so he can pretend of being a Sultan from the Ottoman days with his imaginary harem following him.


Sadly now that the protestors have lost their hold of Gezi - and things like Çapul TV that was broadcasting from there have been lost - things are moving in the regime's direction, although if you read accounts of what went on on Saturday evening and Sunday, there was an amazing fight put up by unarmed citizens in the face of chemical warfare, with whole neighborhoods setting up impromptu barricades. I am still hoping that this protest movement will recover strength and go back on the offensive again.

In the meantime, talking about the division of Turkey, there was a very thoughtful article in Radikal by columnist Tayfun Atay:

http://www.radikal.com.tr/yazarlar/tayf ... us-1137394

which I have translated into English and put up at my website:

http://www.timdrayton.com/a61.html

Even if, as he does, we accept at face value the claim that secularists make up 20-30% of the population of the country - and given that Alevis, who support Ataturk's aspirations for the future of Turkey make up 20-25% of the population of Anatolia, I think this is an understatement - this still makes 15-23 million people. As Atay argues, surely such a large group of people is entitled to determine its own world view and lifestyle, and the attempt to deny this can only be disastrous.


Here is the thing, Tim. These demonstrators brought thousands onto the street in all the main cities in Turkey in a blink of an eye soon after the Gezi Park incident that lasted for 3 weeks, so can you imagine what they can achieve as an organised force with credible and able leaders? No wonder Ayip Erdogan is threatening to use the military, because he has seen first hand, that these protesters if they wanted, can have his police force for breakfast. Time will tell what the protesters will do next. They have achieved a lot in the last 3 weeks. That can be used as a spring board to something much more substantial against Ayip Erdogan. I'm sure Ayip Erdogan is keeping one eye open when he goes to sleep from now on.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:34 pm

Turkish propaganda has reached new heights.

Turkish daily Takvim has published a false interview which they had with CNN's anchor women Christiane Amanpour, defaming her and outlining how CNN's board have been publishing lies to destabilize Turkey for money.

The reason they gave for publishing this false interview is to expose CNN's "lies" and to get back at them. Takvim even states in the small print that the interview is not real but what the readers will read in the interview is real. :?

What the f*ck is this? A non real real interview uncovering CNN's non lies to demonstrate how Takvim can make up lies.. :roll:

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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby B25 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:43 pm

It's called Turkish logic, what's mine is mine, what's yours is mine. Kataramani
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:44 pm

"Government working on draft to restrict social media in Turkey"

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/govern ... sCatID=338


If this means that Vordo won’t be able to post anymore then it may be a good thing! :lol:
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