repulsewarrior wrote:Paphitis wrote:This thread is about the Cyprus National Guard!
It is a Defence Force against outside aggression!
It is there to Defend the Cypriot people and protect the RoC's territorial integrity!
Death came to the island when Turkey invaded and they still threaten us, so we arm ourselves against them otherwise we would be defenceless!
RW, do you disagree?
not at all. and i hope you will agree that the threat is Erdogan (and this ilk), not Turkey, which is lining us up for a World War, so that out of all of it maybe she'll get a little bit instead. indeed, Cyprus needs to defend itself, and as i was saying, once all the kaboom settles down, it will be the warfare of the worst kind, on this island. my point is there is no point in glorifying the possibility, i really don't care who will flatten who, better. as you say a defensive force, this is the NG, capable, well trained, and disciplined; silent. and to be a good ally, equipped as well.
...it is entirely possible that Russia will ally with America, (because Erdogan is that kind of a madman with too much money to spend) to stand together should other Middle countries stand with Turkey in her plaints. China comes to mind as a competitor up in coming in the art of war, (who could benefit from a demonstration of her skills; computers, aircrafts, and codes), Pakistan will likely stand against the USA, (Westward she claims a part of Afghanistan as her reward, Eastward she can finally settle the score), and Brazil even as a "neutral" party stands to gain (needing Industrial and Manufacturing progress), in this context i can see the EU on the opposite side, at war against Britain.
...we can hope that a solution can be found which is natural, or that an epiphany is had by the small group of men and women who are those who can decide.
No RW, I do not agree that Erdogan is the threat. The threat is Turkish. Turkey is the threat!
I live in a realistic world. I do not glorify war. I think it is terrible business.
Fighting a war is not what I would call fun. Would hate to kill. Would hate to kill a Turkish soldier. Wouldn't be celebrating if I did. No grins! No smiles! I don't consider it fun. Spending time with my kids and family, fishing, diving, 4 wheeling etc is what I consider fun!
I also don't follow your logic I'm afraid! No offence. Russia is soon to become a NATO member. It is already a PfP member. China is too smart to enter any wars! At the moment, their war is an economic war and they seem to be doing very well on all fronts! The last thing on their mind is a Cold War with US. Trust me on that! At the moment, Trillions are flowing into China from US, Australia, Japan, EU and elsewhere.
In all honesty, I can't see how Pakistan, China, or Afghanistan are even relevant!
What is relevant is NATO, Turkey, Israel might have a role, who knows. The UN, the EU, US, and UK are relevant. What they would do is anyone's guess at this stage. Many things that will influence their actions.
I remind you, this thread is about the GOWIND Class Corvette and the quite extensive capability they have built up over the years! That is not glorifying war!
But again, I remind you of certain facts!
First thing is first. I deplore war! Hope it never happens in Cyprus. And if it does it would have to be up to the RoC Government and the CNG! I live far far away. It is not as if I am going to be in the line of fire. People like Cap, GR et al will be in the line of fire. My family will not be at risk. their families may well be.
Again, my statements in regards to Greece earlier.
In 1996, Greece was given a great opportunity to start firing a few missiles, shoot down some jets and sink some Turkish Ships. Turkey's actions I considered to be insane, but maybe the Turks were betting that Greece would do nothing. If that was the case, they were right, and it cost Greece big time. It cost Cyprus big time. It strengthened them politically and it spurred them on to continue all the violations into Greek Airspace and in the Aegean. Something that would have cost the Greeks Billions over the years!
You blink RW, you lose! Greece blinked and it lost!
Now imagine North Korea doing what Turkey did to Japan, South Korea or sending a few ships over Australia's way! They would become reefs in no time. There is no way anything like that would be tolerated!
One more thing. The Nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki! WW2 was not the fault of the women and children that were killed on that day. But Japan was at war, and without a surrender an invasion was on the cards that would have killed twice as many Japanese Civilians, Japanese Soldiers, and thousands upon thousands of allied casualties!
I told you it is a terrible business!
What I write is original 
