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[Get Real!]

Who taught Greek to the Cypriots? The Ottoman Turks or the Brits?

Can anyone answer, rent boys (to quote my friend Lordo )?

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

[kurupetos]

Who taught Greek to the Cypriots? The Ottoman Turks or the Brits?

Can anyone answer, rent boys (to quote my friend Lordo )?

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

Anyone else with a less laughable answer?

[Get Real!]

Who taught Greek to the Cypriots? The Ottoman Turks or the Brits?

Can anyone answer, rent boys (to quote my friend Lordo )?

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

Anyone else with a less laughable answer?

You can always pose the question to those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers living in Athens and they'll give you a lovely myth to treasure and add to your collection.

[supporttheunderdog]

But The people who lived in this area, in the case of what is now England until about 500AD had nothing English about them at all. It's not clear what language some spoke, but what we do know is that eg the Britons before the English invasions did not speak English nor for that matter worship the English gods. That only occurred later.

What you are oing is denying the separate and distinct identity of these particular ancient people. You complained about Hitler attacking Britain but that is just what happened with the invasion of the English, ie the Anglos and the Saxons that took place in that time frame, from say 500AD in what is now England.

They brought in eg the Germanic language that became English, their Gods and their culture... in 500AD

the usual bullshit diversionary tactics relying on outdated Historical arguments and off-topic absuditiest There is an increasingly well respected body of thought which argues that in South and Eastenr Britain a Germanic language was being spoken since well before the Roman Invasion and the Saxon invasion is overstated. I am not denying there was no movement across the North Sea in the post Roman World but it was a part of a process that had been underway for many hundreds of years. That is however a topic for another thread.

Otherwise the point is I am NOT denying the separate and distinct pre-1400-1500 BC identity of the Minoan Civilisation. it is the Hellenocentrics like you and gIG who are trying to deny it by claiming it to be Greek, which it was not. I fully accord it its unique and non Greek status.

You're barking up the wrong tree Dog.

Oh how very very witty,...... For you....

You really are a looser.

[repulsewarrior]

Who taught Greek to the Cypriots? The Ottoman Turks or the Brits?

Can anyone answer, rent boys (to quote my friend Lordo )?

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

...yet, the spirit of these People who (chose to) lived as Greeks remains in all of us to this day.

time to look at Language differently, what with its Imperialism; what it has become.

...and soon diversity will be extinguished, they die you know; languages, and at a faster rate than the ecosphere.

your point GR, I support, because I believe that in Crete, like Cyprus, and on other islands, not just life, but living was sustained, before "Greekness" (and as a Cypriot, this is important to me). more to the point: that Greekness became a Universal demonstration of Principal from which there was social-exchange (much like English today), is what I wonder about. I want to express myself in Greek by birth, (and I do, when I can, because I like Greek), I care about Cyprus, but the truth is we are speaking English, mostly (if you are using the internet). this escapes us, Greeks exist, in that diaspora there are Blacks, and Jews, then/now, and if it is denied, what value is Greece? as Humans we will suffer from the Ignorance that comes from expecting no change in thought, as though Greece represents Greeks, and only Greece can represent Greekness. Modern Greece may well have the responsibility to be good Stewards for the land and people which are within its borders, as a State, (it is a pity that Crete and Rhodes did not get Freedom as the mainland did, or Cyprus (without the Problem)) but the National interest of Greeks we hope can remain enriching both ways, to Greeks around the world, and to Humanity, because of new thinking that betters our world with Greece as a center for its excellence.

Cyprus, in this regard, is (as GR is suggesting) the center of what it is, to be a Greek (rather than Greek, as in a Greek Citizen): new thinking; what is wrong with Cypriot Constituencies?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Who taught Greek to the Cypriots? The Ottoman Turks or the Brits?

Can anyone answer, rent boys (to quote my friend Lordo )?

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

...yet, the spirit of these People who (chose to) lived as Greeks remains in all of us to this day.

time to look at Language differently, what with its Imperialism; what it has become.

...and soon diversity will be extinguished, they die you know; languages, and at a faster rate than the ecosphere.

your point GR, I support, because I believe that in Crete, like Cyprus, and on other islands, not just life, but living was sustained, before "Greekness" (and as a Cypriot, this is important to me). more to the point: that Greekness became a Universal demonstration of Principal from which there was social-exchange (much like English today), is what I wonder about. I want to express myself in Greek by birth, (and I do, when I can, because I like Greek), I care about Cyprus, but the truth is we are speaking English, mostly (if you are using the internet). this escapes us, Greeks exist, in that diaspora there are Blacks, and Jews, then/now, and if it is denied, what value is Greece? as Humans we will suffer from the Ignorance that comes from expecting no change in thought, as though Greece represents Greeks, and only Greece can represent Greekness. Modern Greece may well have the responsibility to be good Stewards for the land and people which are within its borders, as a State, (it is a pity that Crete and Rhodes did not get Freedom as the mainland did, or Cyprus (without the Problem)) but the National interest of Greeks we hope can remain enriching both ways, to Greeks around the world, and to Humanity, because of new thinking that betters our world with Greece as a center for its excellence.

Cyprus, in this regard, is (as GR is suggesting) the center of what it is, to be a Greek (rather than Greek, as in a Greek Citizen): new thinking; what is wrong with Cypriot Constituencies?

I think you have it spot on, RW, in your intro.

But the friction flying around generates from the "neo-Cypriot" ideas (e.g. of GR!) which seek to deny the native people of this island their identity with being Greek (cultural-historical). It has little to do with being "Greek citizens" which is something we all know as a political label and available to individuals as a secondary, residency criterion for the mainland and some of its historical-cultural-Greek islands.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Who taught Greek to the Cypriots? The Ottoman Turks or the Brits?

Can anyone answer, rent boys (to quote my friend Lordo )?

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

Anyone else with a less laughable answer?

You can always pose the question to those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers living in Athens and they'll give you a lovely myth to treasure and add to your collection.

You believe the few hundred Choirokitians (Hirokitians) survive unchanged despite the many invasions of Cyprus, yet the millions of natives living in the mainland for thousands of years were all wiped out and replaced? Interesting symptomania - but the migratory profiles do not support your condition.

[Oceanside50]

Who taught Greek to the Cypriots? The Ottoman Turks or the Brits?

Can anyone answer, rent boys (to quote my friend Lordo )?

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

...yet, the spirit of these People who (chose to) lived as Greeks remains in all of us to this day.

time to look at Language differently, what with its Imperialism; what it has become.

...and soon diversity will be extinguished, they die you know; languages, and at a faster rate than the ecosphere.

your point GR, I support, because I believe that in Crete, like Cyprus, and on other islands, not just life, but living was sustained, before "Greekness" (and as a Cypriot, this is important to me). more to the point: that Greekness became a
Universal demonstration of Principal from which there was social-exchange (much like English today), is what I wonder about. I want to express myself in Greek by birth, (and I do, when I can, because I like Greek), I care about Cyprus, but the truth is we are speaking English, mostly (if you are using the internet). this escapes us, Greeks exist, in that diaspora there are Blacks, and Jews, then/now, and if it is denied, what value is Greece? as Humans we will suffer from the Ignorance that comes from expecting no change in thought, as though Greece represents Greeks, and only Greece can represent Greekness. Modern Greece may well have the responsibility to be good Stewards for the land and people which are within its borders, as a State, (it is a pity that Crete and Rhodes did not get Freedom as the mainland did, or Cyprus (without the Problem)) but the National interest of Greeks we hope can remain enriching both ways, to Greeks around the world, and to Humanity, because of new thinking that betters our world with Greece as a center for its excellence.

Cyprus, in this regard, is (as GR is suggesting) the center of what it is, to be a Greek (rather than Greek, as in a Greek Citizen): new thinking; what is wrong with Cypriot Constituencies?

RW, that's one of the best posts you've ever written...i especially liked this part..."as Humans we will suffer from the Ignorance that comes from expecting no change in thought, as though Greece represents Greeks..."

[kurupetos]

You believe the few hundred Choirokitians (Hirokitians) survive unchanged despite the many invasions of Cyprus, yet the millions of natives living in the mainland for thousands of years were all wiped out and replaced? Interesting symptomania - but the migratory profiles do not support your condition.

Historical evidence suggests that those few (and unfortunate) Choirokitians had perished more than two thousand years before the arrival of the Greeks.

Permanent human occupation began in the Aceramic (pre-pottery) Proto-Neolithic period, starting around 7000 BC, when the Choirokhoitia site was founded, probably by people from Anatolia or the Levant - sedentary farmers, cultivating cereals and herding sheep, goats and pigs, all introduced from Asia Minor. For some reason Choirokhoitia and other sites were abandoned abruptly in the mid-6th millennium BC and were not reoccupied until 1,000 years later, in the Ceramic Neolithic period. There is less monumental evidence of occupation in the form of the remains of buildings from this period at Choirokhoitia, but new forms of plant and animal life, as well as the characteristic pottery, have been identified, suggesting that the new inhabitants were members of a fresh immigrant group, whose way of life was again based on agriculture and the raising of domestic animals. The site was finally abandoned in the early 4th millennium BC.

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/848


On the other hand, RW's point of view is completely ridiculous, because Cyprus had been under all kind of non-Greek rules since 1192, when Richard the Lionheart took control over Cyprus from the Byzantine Empire.

Therefore the Cypriots had been under non-Greek rule for so many centuries, but they always spoke Greek, were Greek Orthodox and wanted union with Greece (15th century movement of re-Alexis; 1821 Archbishop Kyprianos; 1878 petition to the newly arrived Brits; 1950 Enosis referendum; 1955-1959 EOKA struggle).

But wait a minute! Isn't it funny that GR! and many other idiots, refuse to accept that the Byzantine Empire was Greek? If true (NOT! ), that means the island had not been under Greek rule since the BC times (Hellenistic period).

How does a people wants to be Greek, if not Greek, under so many different foreign rulers, it's beyond 'reason'.

Unless, of course, we are indeed GREEKS!

[supporttheunderdog]

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

Anyone else with a less laughable answer?

You can always pose the question to those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers living in Athens and they'll give you a lovely myth to treasure and add to your collection.

You believe the few hundred Choirokitians (Hirokitians) survive unchanged despite the many invasions of Cyprus, yet the millions of natives living in the mainland for thousands of years were all wiped out and replaced? Interesting symptomania - but the migratory profiles do not support your condition.

on this point I agree with you and I have never supported his Ottoman-Albano-Bulgaro-Slavic Gypsy origin theory of the current mainland Greeks (which indeed I find offensive). There are some of essentially Slavic ancestry in the North of Greece but the further south you go the more the majority of the population can trace the majority of their descent back to the earliest wave of permanent immigrants from the middle east who came to what is now Greece at or shortly after the end of the last Ice Age. same as indeed for Anatolia, Crete, Cyprus, etc

What GR is plainly confusing is the development of an independent nation state with the existence of a particular identifiable group who one can class as a race: one may as well say there was no such thing as Jews before 1947 or that Kurds or Basques do not exist as they do not have a nation state.