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[Paphitis]

I told you fuckers that no such thing ever existed and it was borne out of all sorts of people from the vicinity to oppose the Ottomans by the Europeans allies!

It included Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs and turncoat Ottomans! Those are your modern “Greeks”!!! Fucking gypsies!

Greeks back then were kind of like tribal or small little kingdoms or entity states.

For example, Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians, Arcadians, Mycenaeans, Dorians, Macedonians, etc etc. These States dominated and existed during different periods.

Greeks have always been fragmented but it is only natural that Greece will not appear on any map prior to 1827 as Greece never existed, but the above states sure as hell did exist!

[supporttheunderdog]

You don't need a single pinpoint place called "Greece" to identify these ancient tribes who inhabited these regions some 20,000 years ago. The like-minded people who exchanged cultures, similar gods, similar myths, similar language lived all over the mainland and islands that we only NOW call Greece, Cyprus, Crete etc (with our lingua franca of ENGLISH) intermingled constantly as they left trad-routes. The Minoan and Mycenaeans and Cypriots for example had many exchanges as the (inter alia) language dialects reveal.

Each time you try and destroy the history of Greece you destroy a lot of that of Cyprus too (I would be concerned, but your arguments are too crappy to bother with )

But The people who lived in this area , in the case of what is now Greece until about 2000 bc, Crete in about 1500 bcand Cyprus till say 10000 bc had nothing Greek about them at all. It's not clear what language some spoke, but what we do know is that eg the Cretans and Cypriots before the Greek invasions did not speak Greek nor for that matter worship the pantheon of Greek gods. That only occurred later.

What you are oing is denying the separate and distinct identity of these particular ancient people. You complain about recent invaders ddestrying thevculturecetc of the locals but that is just what happened with the invasion of the Hellenes, ie the Achaeans, Aeolians, Ionians and Dorians that took place in that time frame, from say 2000 bc in what is now Greece.

They brought in eg the info European language that became Greek, the Pantheon of mostly male gods then worshiped (the original inhabitants were mostly into Mother Earth female goddesses, and for example the language of the area was probably not an IE language. Certainly not in Crete pre say 1500 bc or so.

[Sotos]

But The people who lived in this area, in the case of what is now England until about 500AD had nothing English about them at all. It's not clear what language some spoke, but what we do know is that eg the Britons before the English invasions did not speak English nor for that matter worship the English gods. That only occurred later.

What you are oing is denying the separate and distinct identity of these particular ancient people. You complained about Hitler attacking Britain but that is just what happened with the invasion of the English, ie the Anglos and the Saxons that took place in that time frame, from say 500AD in what is now England.

They brought in eg the Germanic language that became English, their Gods and their culture... in 500AD

[Sotos]

If you want we can play this game for the Turks ... and for the "Australians"

[Paphitis]

Well that settles it then. It looks like the 'Greeks' are a bunch of invading Colonialists who invaded Cyprus many centuries ago!

Time for an EOKA C methinks where the indigenous rise against the colonial imperialists again!

ZoC can be in charge of the Political Wing or CNP!

[supporttheunderdog]

But The people who lived in this area, in the case of what is now England until about 500AD had nothing English about them at all. It's not clear what language some spoke, but what we do know is that eg the Britons before the English invasions did not speak English nor for that matter worship the English gods. That only occurred later.

What you are oing is denying the separate and distinct identity of these particular ancient people. You complained about Hitler attacking Britain but that is just what happened with the invasion of the English, ie the Anglos and the Saxons that took place in that time frame, from say 500AD in what is now England.

They brought in eg the Germanic language that became English, their Gods and their culture... in 500AD

the usual bullshit diversionary tactics relying on outdated Historical arguments and off-topic absuditiestThere is an increasingly well respected body of thought which argues that in South and Eastenr Britain a Germanic language was being spoken since well before the Roman Invasion and the Saxon invasion is overstated. I am not denying there was no movement across the North Sea in the post Roman World but it was a part of a process that had been underway for many hundreds of years. That is however a topic for another thread.

Otherwise the point is I am NOT denying the separate and distinct pre-1400-1500 BC identity of the Minoan Civilisation. it is the Hellenocentrics like you and gIG who are trying to deny it by claiming it to be Greek, which it was not. I fully accord it its unique and non Greek status.

[Paphitis]

But The people who lived in this area, in the case of what is now England until about 500AD had nothing English about them at all. It's not clear what language some spoke, but what we do know is that eg the Britons before the English invasions did not speak English nor for that matter worship the English gods. That only occurred later.

What you are oing is denying the separate and distinct identity of these particular ancient people. You complained about Hitler attacking Britain but that is just what happened with the invasion of the English, ie the Anglos and the Saxons that took place in that time frame, from say 500AD in what is now England.

They brought in eg the Germanic language that became English, their Gods and their culture... in 500AD

the usual bullshit diversionary tactics relying on outdated Historical arguments and off-topic absuditiestThere is an increasingly well respected body of thought which argues that in South and Eastenr Britain a Germanic language was being spoken since well before the Roman Invasion and the Saxon invasion is overstated. I am not denying there was no movement across the North Sea in the post Roman World but it was a part of a process that had been underway for many hundreds of years. That is however a topic for another thread.

Otherwise the point is I am NOT denying the separate and distinct pre-1400-1500 BC identity of the Minoan Civilisation. it is the Hellenocentrics like you and gIG who are trying to deny it by claiming it to be Greek, which it was not. I fully accord it its unique and non Greek status.

Yes absolutely STUD! We must be very mindful of their underhanded diversionary tactics such as talking about Military Service etc etc.

My PM inbox is littered with evidence on what they get up to.

Just a point in note. When writing about non recognised invader entities, it is important to use inverted commas and always in the lower case. For example, "trnc" and "g"IG.

[GreekIslandGirl]

All that old maps mentioning Cyprus do, is enhance what I said that Cyprus was another state, like Sparta, Athens etc and part of the Greek-speaking world which traded and exchanged ideas extensively because of their close kinship.

This kinship continues to this day, and if you look at the map of the Cretans, Minoans etc in the link at the start of this thread, you will see how (inadvertently) the genetics confirms this historical kinship.

Now, continue to denigrate Greece and you do exactly the same to Cyprus. You cannot destroy your heart or your liver without killing your whole body. The Greek islands are all organs which make up the healthy Hellenic body.

[Paphitis]

Oh Oracle, why embarrass yourself? Cyprus is mentioned in the Bible!

Stud: If you have a soft spot for her (like me), and don't want to use inverted commas because you couldn't be bothered, then calling her Oracle is fine!

We are too far to be part of that "Hellenic" body and there was already a thriving civilization before anything "Hellenic" existed and the genetics don't prove anything other than the fact that there are similarities as there are with monkeys.

You could plot the DNA of an Aboriginal Australian and they too would be similar, including the Thalassemia gene!

I have researched this, and I will publish results that show an Aboriginal Australian to have just as much genetic similarity with Greeks as Cypriots do with Greeks. Prepare to be shocked!

[yialousa1971]

But The people who lived in this area, in the case of what is now England until about 500AD had nothing English about them at all. It's not clear what language some spoke, but what we do know is that eg the Britons before the English invasions did not speak English nor for that matter worship the English gods. That only occurred later.

What you are oing is denying the separate and distinct identity of these particular ancient people. You complained about Hitler attacking Britain but that is just what happened with the invasion of the English, ie the Anglos and the Saxons that took place in that time frame, from say 500AD in what is now England.

They brought in eg the Germanic language that became English, their Gods and their culture... in 500AD

the usual bullshit diversionary tactics relying on outdated Historical arguments and off-topic absuditiest There is an increasingly well respected body of thought which argues that in South and Eastenr Britain a Germanic language was being spoken since well before the Roman Invasion and the Saxon invasion is overstated. I am not denying there was no movement across the North Sea in the post Roman World but it was a part of a process that had been underway for many hundreds of years. That is however a topic for another thread.

Otherwise the point is I am NOT denying the separate and distinct pre-1400-1500 BC identity of the Minoan Civilisation. it is the Hellenocentrics like you and gIG who are trying to deny it by claiming it to be Greek, which it was not. I fully accord it its unique and non Greek status.

You're barking up the wrong tree Dog.