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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:14 pm

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GreekIslandGirl wrote:What does this journalist mean by "test" the disc? I think he's a little mixed up - oh never mind, his own bio says:

John Tierney always wanted to be a scientist but went into journalism because its peer-review process was a great deal easier to sneak through.
:lol: :lol: :lol:


You're the only one it seems who doesn't understand it because you don't want to! :lol:


No, I'm not the only one who ignores bizarre requests from uneducated journalists that just sit at their desk googling the next thing to attach "fake" to and grab the attention of lazy blogophiles like you.

So,why don't you tell me why the dating which has been done so far is not understood by this journalist and he prefers to "drill a hole" into it?

So little Star, why not tell us what dating has been done? My own understanding is that beyond the inferences drawn from where the disc was allegedly found , If it was not a forgery introduced to be deliberately found, no testing has been done on the disk, but since you seem to be aware of what testing has been done I would happy to be corrected on that point.
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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:15 pm

Only a few embittered anti-Greeks still hold on to the hope that the Phaistos Disc is a forgery.

No academic historian has endorsed such a belief, which was only based purely on the fact that it was unique, undecipherable and not subject-able to damaging tests - being made of clay. There are enough archaeological indicators from the site is was unearthed, the objects surrounding it - other tablets, its burial along with other artifacts from a possible earthquake (all verifiable) to satisfy those who don't finger point at every clay pot (that also has not been drilled with holes) found anywhere around the world, and call it a "hoax". The hoax theories are branded about nearly every time something Greek is found which pushes the boundaries of western comfort at the awesomeness of these people of Classical times.

Its authenticity is furthermore supported by the later discovery of the Arkalochori Axe with similar glyphs.

There is nothing to support it being a hoax other than the familiar rantings of the anti-Greek, bile-spewing saddos. Your obvious torture is very pleasing! :D
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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:29 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Only a few embittered anti-Greeks still hold on to the hope that the Phaistos Disc is a forgery.

Before we can call something an “ancient artifact” there should be irrefutable scientific evidence for it otherwise we are kidding ourselves and cheating our children.
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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:49 pm

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GreekIslandGirl wrote:Only a few embittered anti-Greeks still hold on to the hope that the Phaistos Disc is a forgery.

Before we can call something an “ancient artifact” there should be irrefutable scientific evidence for it otherwise we are kidding ourselves and cheating our children.


There is "irrefutable" evidence because there is NOTHING which proves it's fake. Otherwise Choirokitia and all its (untested by drilling) clay pots are a hoax too! :wink:
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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:05 pm

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GreekIslandGirl wrote:Only a few embittered anti-Greeks still hold on to the hope that the Phaistos Disc is a forgery.

Before we can call something an “ancient artifact” there should be irrefutable scientific evidence for it otherwise we are kidding ourselves and cheating our children.


There is "irrefutable" evidence because there is NOTHING which proves it's fake. Otherwise Choirokitia and all its (untested by drilling) clay pots are a hoax too! :wink:


Your Greek thinking is fucked up and that’s why you can never be trusted. Greeks are just con artists trying to pass off anything as an ancient artifact to fill up their pockets, sustain a specific tourist industry, and push their evil agenda.

As for Hirokitia (I prefer this spelling too) it was an entire settlement dug up (unlike the Phaistos disc) so everything contained in this buried site would have to be genuine.
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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:14 pm

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GreekIslandGirl wrote:Only a few embittered anti-Greeks still hold on to the hope that the Phaistos Disc is a forgery.

Before we can call something an “ancient artifact” there should be irrefutable scientific evidence for it otherwise we are kidding ourselves and cheating our children.


There is "irrefutable" evidence because there is NOTHING which proves it's fake. Otherwise Choirokitia and all its (untested by drilling) clay pots are a hoax too! :wink:


Your Greek thinking is fucked up and that’s why you can never be trusted. Greeks are just con artists trying to pass off anything as an ancient artifact to fill up their pockets, sustain a specific tourist industry, and push their evil agenda.

As for Hirokitia (I prefer this spelling too) it was an entire settlement dug up (unlike the Phaistos disc) so everything contained in this buried site would have to be genuine.


The Phaistos Disc was unearthed from an entire Minoan settlement in conditions very similar to those whereby artifacts were dug up and dated for Hirokitia [sic], which is why I made the comparison.

But your mental degeneration, and personally evil agenda, exemplified by your dummy spitting above, is not receptive to anything other than "Greeks did not exist and any signs that they did are hoaxes". How scientific! :roll:

Everything you say is a hoax!
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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:22 pm

Oracle, that was planted by that profiteering jerk Luigi something... :roll:
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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:19 pm

Get Real! wrote:Oracle, that was planted by that profiteering jerk Luigi something... :roll:


No it wasn't. He was just one of the archaeologists. He had no more reason to plant a hoax than any other archaeologist in any of the other digs around the world. Besides, I've already told you it was also authenticated by the double-headed-axe find much later (bronze, so it has been dated) - bearing a related glyph.

Give up - you just look foolish. Denying everything Greek just weakens your approach. :wink:
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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:22 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Only a few embittered anti-Greeks still hold on to the hope that the Phaistos Disc is a forgery.

No academic historian has endorsed such a belief, which was only based purely on the fact that it was unique, undecipherable and not subject-able to damaging tests - being made of clay. There are enough archaeological indicators from the site is was unearthed, the objects surrounding it - other tablets, its burial along with other artifacts from a possible earthquake (all verifiable) to satisfy those who don't finger point at every clay pot (that also has not been drilled with holes) found anywhere around the world, and call it a "hoax". The hoax theories are branded about nearly every time something Greek is found which pushes the boundaries of western comfort at the awesomeness of these people of Classical times.

Its authenticity is furthermore supported by the later discovery of the Arkalochori Axe with similar glyphs.

There is nothing to support it being a hoax other than the familiar rantings of the anti-Greek, bile-spewing saddos. Your obvious torture is very pleasing! :D

Ah the Arkalochori Axe....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkalochori_Axe
According research has shapes which only imitate glyphs so quite how rational conclusions can be drawn from it about the disk or ancient non Greek Minoan language is not at at all clear.
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Re: Minoan civilisation developed locally in Crete.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:56 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Only a few embittered anti-Greeks still hold on to the hope that the Phaistos Disc is a forgery.

No academic historian has endorsed such a belief, which was only based purely on the fact that it was unique, undecipherable and not subject-able to damaging tests - being made of clay. There are enough archaeological indicators from the site is was unearthed, the objects surrounding it - other tablets, its burial along with other artifacts from a possible earthquake (all verifiable) to satisfy those who don't finger point at every clay pot (that also has not been drilled with holes) found anywhere around the world, and call it a "hoax". The hoax theories are branded about nearly every time something Greek is found which pushes the boundaries of western comfort at the awesomeness of these people of Classical times.

Its authenticity is furthermore supported by the later discovery of the Arkalochori Axe with similar glyphs.

There is nothing to support it being a hoax other than the familiar rantings of the anti-Greek, bile-spewing saddos. Your obvious torture is very pleasing! :D

Ah the Arkalochori Axe....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkalochori_Axe
According research has shapes which only imitate glyphs so quite how rational conclusions can be drawn from it about the disk or ancient non Greek Minoan language is not at at all clear.


Yes dear, that's the problem in archaeology. They have only limited resources and so when something actually verifies a find (such as the glyph similarities), it is rather more significant than a bird-brain (dinosaur remnant?) may appreciate. How can glyphs "imitate" other glyphs? They just look similar. Some virtually identical and some a little different. They were clearly sculpted by different people. One worked with bronze (less well preserved now) and one with clay. If I write a sentence, will your writing look similar (imitate) mine or would it look identical?

Can you also drop this, because you are not only boring but also looking extremely lowbrow (like your failure to appreciate the beauty of our relatedness to dinosaurs).
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