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[yialousa1971]

Lovely bit of migratory DNA studies, putting an end to some historical prejudice ....

The first advanced Bronze Age civilization of Europe was established by the Minoans about 5,000 years before present. Since Sir Arthur Evans exposed the Minoan civic centre of Knossos, archaeologists have speculated on the origin of the founders of the civilization. Evans proposed a North African origin; Cycladic, Balkan, Anatolian and Middle Eastern origins have also been proposed. Here we address the question of the origin of the Minoans by analysing mitochondrial DNA from Minoan osseous remains from a cave ossuary in the Lassithi plateau of Crete dated 4,400–3,700 years before present. Shared haplotypes, principal component and pairwise distance analyses refute the Evans North African hypothesis. Minoans show the strongest relationships with Neolithic and modern European populations and with the modern inhabitants of the Lassithi plateau. Our data are compatible with the hypothesis of an autochthonous development of the Minoan civilization by the descendants of the Neolithic settlers of the island.

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v4 ... s2871.html


http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/05 ... n-origins/

You beat me to it.

I did wonder where you'd got to on this one.

Nice Principle Component graph (below) showing clustering of Laconia-Cyprus-Chios-Euboea scattered around Greece-general.

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v4 ... 71_F5.html

Also interesting the Neolithic Scandinavians/Treilles cluster with us.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Lovely bit of migratory DNA studies, putting an end to some historical prejudice ....

The first advanced Bronze Age civilization of Europe was established by the Minoans about 5,000 years before present. Since Sir Arthur Evans exposed the Minoan civic centre of Knossos, archaeologists have speculated on the origin of the founders of the civilization. Evans proposed a North African origin; Cycladic, Balkan, Anatolian and Middle Eastern origins have also been proposed. Here we address the question of the origin of the Minoans by analysing mitochondrial DNA from Minoan osseous remains from a cave ossuary in the Lassithi plateau of Crete dated 4,400–3,700 years before present. Shared haplotypes, principal component and pairwise distance analyses refute the Evans North African hypothesis. Minoans show the strongest relationships with Neolithic and modern European populations and with the modern inhabitants of the Lassithi plateau. Our data are compatible with the hypothesis of an autochthonous development of the Minoan civilization by the descendants of the Neolithic settlers of the island.

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v4 ... s2871.html


http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/05 ... n-origins/

Backed-up by linguistics ...

Linear A is very similar to Linear B. Basically it's just another font. The same holds for the "Cretan hieroglyphs" (which are simply less linear) and the script of the Phaistos Disk (which can afford to consist of meticulous "drawings" because it is stamped rather than handwritten). The language is a divergent variant of Greek, comparable to the situation of Swiss "German".

Steven Roger Fischer: Glyph-Breaker, Copernicus/Springer 1997

"Both of these scripts yield clues of great cultural importance. Fischer's previous decipherment, of a Cretan artifact called the Phaistos Disk, provided the key to the ancient Minoan language and showed it to be closely related to Mycenaean Greek. Contrary to prevailing archaeological opinion, the Minoans were Greeks, and Crete's Phaistos Disk now comprises Europe's oldest documented literature.

[Get Real!]

To better understand what these Greeks are all about...

"Why Not Test the Phaistos Disc?"

"Of course, if the disc were to be tested and it did turn out to be a forgery, it would be a great blow and an embarrassment to the Greeks and to Crete and the museum, as the disk is one of the greatest archaeological ‘finds’ of Crete and an important attraction not only for scholars, but especially for tourists."

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/200 ... stos-disc/

[Get Real!]

To better understand what these Greeks are all about...

http://brian-haughton.com/articles/phaistos-disc/4/

http://nerd-gasms.tumblr.com/post/22593 ... as-fake-by

http://goddesschess.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... -fake.html

[Paphitis]

To better understand what these Greeks are all about...

http://brian-haughton.com/articles/phaistos-disc/4/

http://nerd-gasms.tumblr.com/post/22593 ... as-fake-by

http://goddesschess.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... -fake.html

I was going to argue with you about this but knowing what i know now, about my Greek Education in Australia where they use to tell us about Greek Women throwing themselves of the cliff after a dance, and the fact that they refuse to test the disc itself, has got me thinking.

They even told us about these secret religious schools which never existed, in order to cover up the Church's support of the Ottoman Empire.

Interesting!

[GreekIslandGirl]

To better understand what these Greeks are all about...

"Why Not Test the Phaistos Disc?"

"Of course, if the disc were to be tested and it did turn out to be a forgery, it would be a great blow and an embarrassment to the Greeks and to Crete and the museum, as the disk is one of the greatest archaeological ‘finds’ of Crete and an important attraction not only for scholars, but especially for tourists."

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/200 ... stos-disc/

What does this journalist mean by "test" the disc? I think he's a little mixed up - oh never mind, his own bio says:

John Tierney always wanted to be a scientist but went into journalism because its peer-review process was a great deal easier to sneak through.

[Get Real!]

What does this journalist mean by "test" the disc? I think he's a little mixed up - oh never mind, his own bio says:

John Tierney always wanted to be a scientist but went into journalism because its peer-review process was a great deal easier to sneak through.

You're the only one it seems who doesn't understand it because you don't want to!

[Get Real!]

Archeology meets politics

“Archeology can help the nationalist in several ways. It can literally create a past - real or imagined - that justifies a national claim to territory. It can create a "how great we once were" mentality that increases social cohesion or the desire to sacrifice for the nation.”

"Archeological information has been used and misused for centuries, if not millennia, but we're much more conscious of it today. Archeologists are well aware that they have to be very careful about what they say, and how they say it."

Greek archaeologists, our informant tells us, traditionally ignored the period of Ottoman rule, from 1458 to 1912. (The Ottoman Empire was based in Istanbul, now Turkey). "In most excavations, until recently, they would dig right through the Ottoman period." This was particularly true during the 1960s and '1970s, but is less so today, when tensions between Greece and Turkey have eased.

http://whyfiles.org/155war_archeo/3.html

[B25]

Can any of you guys say this word. It is the longest Greek word with 172 characters.

«λοπαδο­τεμαχο­σελαχο­γαλεο­κρανιο­λειψανο­δριμ­υπο­τριμματο­σιλφιο­καραβο­μελιτο­κατακεχυ­μενο­κιχλ­επι­κοσσυφο­φαττο­περιστερ­αλεκτρυον­οπτο­κεφαλλιο­κιγκλο­πελειο­λαγῳο­σιραιο­βαφη­τραγανο­πτερύγων».

http://cyprusnews.eu/metro-psixagogia/1255111

[GreekIslandGirl]

What does this journalist mean by "test" the disc? I think he's a little mixed up - oh never mind, his own bio says:

John Tierney always wanted to be a scientist but went into journalism because its peer-review process was a great deal easier to sneak through.

You're the only one it seems who doesn't understand it because you don't want to!

No, I'm not the only one who ignores bizarre requests from uneducated journalists that just sit at their desk googling the next thing to attach "fake" to and grab the attention of lazy blogophiles like you.

So, why don't you tell me why the dating which has been done so far is not understood by this journalist and he prefers to "drill a hole" into it?