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[kurupetos]

No, there is no evidence of forced hellenisation of the island. On the contrary, Greeks and Eteo-Cypriots co-existed, but eventually Eteo-Cypriots were absorbed by the superior Greek culture (e.g. language, religion).

What a racist point of view to suggest that Greek Culture ie language and religion were in someway innately superior.

Racist? Have you run out of arguments again?

Of course Greek was/is superior. The 40,000+ words of Greek root in the English language prove that very well.

http://www.nostosbooks.com/index.files/youknowmoregreekthanyouthink.htm

[Get Real!]

... so I’ll catch you later after the football.

Both Apollon and APOEL fans will have plenty of Greek flags to annoy you even further.

You're not wrong...

[Get Real!]

No, there is no evidence of forced hellenisation of the island. On the contrary, Greeks and Eteo-Cypriots co-existed, but eventually Eteo-Cypriots were absorbed by the superior Greek culture (e.g. language, religion).

What a racist point of view to suggest that Greek Culture ie language and religion were in someway innately superior.

Yes, he's definitely fucked in the head.

[GreekIslandGirl]

the point however remains that both Crete and Cyprus had developed civilisations that were not Greek in nature

What utter nonsense! What kind of bigoted stereotypes limit your peabrain?

you are the bigot here. The fact remains that both Cyprus and Crete had developed a culture of their own without Greek/Hellenic Influence, indeed that is the thrust of the title of this topic, and they were both only later Hellenised, in Crete from about 1600 BC, in Cyprus from about 1050 BC.

The 'micro-cultures' on Cyprus and Crete are all part of the history of what led to Hellenism. What you're saying is as stupid as saying, for example, the Tudors "had developed a culture of their own" and without English influence. The evidence in this thread is about the continuity of cultures WITHIN Greek history.

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The 'micro-cultures' on Cyprus and Crete are all part of the history of what led to Hellenism.

Only problem is that Cyprus was a superpower in those days and Greece was non existent!

[GreekIslandGirl]

The 'micro-cultures' on Cyprus and Crete are all part of the history of what led to Hellenism.

Only problem is that Cyprus was a superpower in those days and Greece was non existent!

Each state was a superpower. Athens, Sparta, Crete, Cyprus. All had their strengths. And when they came together ...

[supporttheunderdog]

the point however remains that both Crete and Cyprus had developed civilisations that were not Greek in nature

What utter nonsense! What kind of bigoted stereotypes limit your peabrain?

you are the bigot here. The fact remains that both Cyprus and Crete had developed a culture of their own without Greek/Hellenic Influence, indeed that is the thrust of the title of this topic, and they were both only later Hellenised, in Crete from about 1600 BC, in Cyprus from about 1050 BC.

The 'micro-cultures' on Cyprus and Crete are all part of the history of what led to Hellenism. What you're saying is as stupid as saying, for example, the Tudors "had developed a culture of their own" and without English influence. The evidence in this thread is about the continuity of cultures WITHIN Greek history.

Your allusion to the Tudors is quite wrong since by the time they came to power in 1485 England had existed as a nation for about 500 years, and the Tudors were essentially English. The point is that when the Cretan and Cypriot civilisations arose there was nothing remotely Greek there to influence them. The Minoan civilisation existed from 2700 bc but the fore runners of the Mycenaeans only introduced what became the Greek language in to the Aegean area along with what became the major Male Greek deities in about 1900 bc, ie 800 years later. Prior to that the inhabitants of what is now Greece and the Segean area probably did not speak even a proto Greek language, though some loan words entered Greek. They also largely worshipped a female Mother Earth deity, who was later brought in to what became the Greek Pantheon by Homeric times. The Myceneans took over Crete probably only in about 1400 bc, which was about the same time as they made first contact with Cyprus, though they do not appear to have arrived in Cyprus in large numbers for probably another 300 years or so. Before that time Cyprus had been largely under Hittite influence, and the local rulers corresponded in the Ugaratic language script, as a part of a non Greek eastern med civilisation.

And yes the Cretans particularly influenced what became Greek civilisation by giving the Greeks a script, Linear B, which was the visual representation of the Greek language adapted from the visual representation of the non Greek Minoan language, by transfering the representation of sounds (not words or the meaning of sounds) from Minoan to Greek. That is why Minoan represented by Linear A can be pronounced as a series of sounds but not understood or comprehended as words with known meaning, where as Linear B can both be pronounced and given meaning as comprehensible words. Before 1450 or so, when linear B emerged, the Greeks were otherwise probably illiterate.

[Get Real!]

The 'micro-cultures' on Cyprus and Crete are all part of the history of what led to Hellenism.

Only problem is that Cyprus was a superpower in those days and Greece was non existent!

Each state was a superpower. Athens, Sparta, Crete, Cyprus. All had their strengths. And when they came together ...

Instead of manufacturing shit all day why don’t you educate yourself about which were the great powers at the time.

You won’t find a “Sparta”, you won’t find an “Athens”, and you won’t find a “Greece” either!

What you will find are:

Egypt
Babylonia
Assyria
Mittani
Arzawa
Alashiya (Cyprus)
Hatti
Syria/Lebanon/Canaan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarna_Letters

http://www.academia.edu/246371/The_Loca ... and_Ugarit

[GreekIslandGirl]

Go Greece!

Archaeologists in Greece have discovered the ruins of an ancient palace with important archaic inscriptions dating back to the Mycenaean age, the culture ministry said Tuesday.

The palace, likely built around the 17th-16th centuries BC, had around 10 rooms and was discovered near Sparta in southern Greece.

At the site, archaeologists found objects of worship, clay figurines, a cup adorned with a bull’s head, swords and fragments of murals.

Since 2009, excavations in the area have unearthed inscriptions on tablets detailing religious ceremonies and names and places in a script called Linear B, the oldest script to be discovered in Europe. It first appears in Crete from around 1375BC and was only deciphered in the mid 20th century.

The new discovery will allow for more research on the “political, administrative, economic and societal organisation of the region” and provide “new information on the beliefs and language systems of the Mycenaean people”, the ministry said in a statement.

According to the culture ministry, more than 150 archaeological excavations have been carried out in Greece so far this year, “demonstrating the importance of the archaeological wealth and cultural heritage of the country”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... century-bc

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