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[GreekIslandGirl]

Finally, some sense from stud!

[Oceanside50]

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

Anyone else with a less laughable answer?

You can always pose the question to those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers living in Athens and they'll give you a lovely myth to treasure and add to your collection.

You believe the few hundred Choirokitians (Hirokitians) survive unchanged despite the many invasions of Cyprus, yet the millions of natives living in the mainland for thousands of years were all wiped out and replaced? Interesting symptomania - but the migratory profiles do not support your condition.

on this point I agree with you and I have never supported his Ottoman-Albano-Bulgaro-Slavic Gypsy origin theory of the current mainland Greeks (which indeed I find offensive). There are some of essentially Slavic ancestry in the North of Greece but the further south you go the more the majority of the population can trace the majority of their descent back to the earliest wave of permanent immigrants from the middle east who came to what is now Greece at or shortly after the
end of the last Ice Age. same as indeed for Anatolia, Crete, Cyprus, etc


What GR is plainly confusing is the development of an independent nation state with the existence of a particular identifiable group who one can class as a race: one may as well say there was no such thing as Jews before 1947 or that Kurds or Basques do not exist as they do not have a nation state.

I don't think RW was talking about genetics..so what if the inhabitants of Greece/Cyprus resemble the ancients?

[supporttheunderdog]

Who taught Greek to the Cypriots? The Ottoman Turks or the Brits?

Can anyone answer, rent boys (to quote my friend Lordo )?

"Greek" is a label adhered to a language that was most likely invented in Cyprus by Cypriots and spread to others like those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers.

Anyone else with a less laughable answer?

yes: Greek was not invented in Cyprus, but imposed on Cyprus by conquest with an initial but probabaly only partial introduction to Cyprus (other than by visiting traders) in about 1100BC-100 BC or so, with a final imposition in 320 BC following then Ptolomaic conquests.

In Crete Greek was probably introduced as the main language in about 1420 to 1395 BC,again following a likely conquest event following natural disasters which weakened the Minoan civilisations - this is documented by the disappearance of LInear A as the undeciphered written representation of the currently incomprehensible Minoan language and the development of Linear B which is a deciphered written representation of a comprehensible Early Greek. One think that appears to be certain and that is that Minoan language up to about 1400BC was NOT Greek.

In mainland Greece itself it widely surmised that as an Indo European language, a proto Greek language probably entered area of what is now modern Greece probably following an invasion/conquest event by a small but powerful minority in the 2nd millennium BC and Greek as now understood then began to develop.

[supporttheunderdog]

You can always pose the question to those Albano-Bulgaro-Ottoman leftovers living in Athens and they'll give you a lovely myth to treasure and add to your collection.

You believe the few hundred Choirokitians (Hirokitians) survive unchanged despite the many invasions of Cyprus, yet the millions of natives living in the mainland for thousands of years were all wiped out and replaced? Interesting symptomania - but the migratory profiles do not support your condition.

on this point I agree with you and I have never supported his Ottoman-Albano-Bulgaro-Slavic Gypsy origin theory of the current mainland Greeks (which indeed I find offensive). There are some of essentially Slavic ancestry in the North of Greece but the further south you go the more the majority of the population can trace the majority of their descent back to the earliest wave of permanent immigrants from the middle east who came to what is now Greece at or shortly after the
end of the last Ice Age. same as indeed for Anatolia, Crete, Cyprus, etc


What GR is plainly confusing is the development of an independent nation state with the existence of a particular identifiable group who one can class as a race: one may as well say there was no such thing as Jews before 1947 or that Kurds or Basques do not exist as they do not have a nation state.

I don't think RW was talking about genetics..so what if the inhabitants of Greece/Cyprus resemble the ancients?

I have no argument with RW: my post was a contribution to the debate between GR and "g"IG, with both of whom I have different disagreements: GR because his views on the ancestry of Modern Greeks do not appear to confirm to the reality, and with "g"IG who sems to find the most tenuous links to claim something is what it is not, for example that humans are dinosaur remnants, which plainly we are not: we share many common characteristics because in the dim and distant past we shared a common ancestor but we also have a number of characteristics which dinosaurs never had while they have some which we never had because our development had diverged after the time of the last common ancestor: this similar to the case of the eastern Mediterannean peoples who culturally and liguistically diverged, and where as far as I can see "g"IG is describing some cloud-cuokoo land in one of her posts in this thread when she describes the populace of the whole of the eastern med as speaking to each other in one dialectically-rich tongue. My what a bunch of cunning linguists....

[GreekIslandGirl]

yes: Greek was not invented in Cyprus, but imposed on Cyprus by conquest ...

Do you have any supporting evidence for this "conquest"? Any battles? Any historical records of natives struggling against an "invasion"?

And kindly stop assuming you can paraphrase what I have said either on languages or dinosaurs as your self-inflated opinion of your abilities to comprehend English seems to be directly inherited from your dinosaur relatives.

[Sotos]

yes: Greek was not invented in Cyprus, but imposed on Cyprus by conquest ...

Do you have any supporting evidence for this "conquest"? Any battles? Any historical records of natives struggling against an "invasion"?

And kindly stop assuming you can paraphrase what I have said either on languages or dinosaurs as your self-inflated opinion of your abilities to comprehend English seems to be directly inherited from your dinosaur relatives.

He should also tell us how it was with the English in Britain.

Until now, the so-called Minimalists have set the tone in British archeology. They believe in what they call an "elite transfer", in which a small caste of Germanic noble warriors, perhaps a few thousand, placed themselves at the top of society in a coup of sorts, and eventually even displaced the Celtic language with their own. Many contemporary Britons, not overly keen on having such a close kinship with the Continent, like this scenario.

In truth, however, the army of the Britons was usually in retreat. Many fell into captivity. According to Härke, the captured Britons lived a miserable existence as "servants and maids" in the villages of the Anglo-Saxons.

There were two types of grave in the cemeteries of the time: those containing swords and other weapons, and those with none. The local inhabitants, deprived of their rights, were apparently buried in the latter type of grave.

The London geneticist Mark Thomas is convinced that the conquerors from the continent maintained "social structures similar to apartheid," a view supported by the laws of King Ine of Wessex (around 695). They specify six social levels for the Britons, five of which refer to slaves.

As a result of the brutal subjugation, the reproduction rate of the losing Britons was apparently curbed, while the winners had many children. The consequences are still evident today in the British gene pool. "People from rural England are more closely related to the northern Germans than to their countrymen from Wales or Scotland," Härke explains.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 68706.html

Either way we have more than enough evidence of how the English imposed themselves and their language on Britain.

[supporttheunderdog]

yes: Greek was not invented in Cyprus, but imposed on Cyprus by conquest ...

Do you have any supporting evidence for this "conquest"? Any battles? Any historical records of natives struggling against an "invasion"?

And kindly stop assuming you can paraphrase what I have said either on languages or dinosaurs as your self-inflated opinion of your abilities to comprehend English seems to be directly inherited from your dinosaur relatives.

Fu2 sweetie; we have the destruction of Engkomi at this time.

How can I have inherited anything from the dinosaurs when I am not descended from them.

[Paphitis]

You believe the few hundred Choirokitians (Hirokitians) survive unchanged despite the many invasions of Cyprus, yet the millions of natives living in the mainland for thousands of years were all wiped out and replaced? Interesting symptomania - but the migratory profiles do not support your condition.

Look, Cyprus is an isolated island with no land borders, so it makes sense that Cypriots are ethnically far more pure than the Albano Slavic Turco "Greeks".

[GreekIslandGirl]

So you support the idea of an "ethnically far more pure" minority wanting 40% of Cyprus?

[GreekIslandGirl]

yes: Greek was not invented in Cyprus, but imposed on Cyprus by conquest ...

Do you have any supporting evidence for this "conquest"? Any battles? Any historical records of natives struggling against an "invasion"?

And kindly stop assuming you can paraphrase what I have said either on languages or dinosaurs as your self-inflated opinion of your abilities to comprehend English seems to be directly inherited from your dinosaur relatives.

Fu2 sweetie; we have the destruction of Engkomi at this time.

How can I have inherited anything from the dinosaurs when I am not descended from them.

So you have no evidence for a "conquest" or battles with "invading" Greeks, yet you persist in peddling your mythical nonsense.

And if you were human, you would indeed share a lot of similarity with dinosaurs but your birdbrain thinks it has Imperial exemptions. Fine, alien!