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[Lordo]

now listen here kiks baby have a look at the constitution of the roc and tell us if they have removed the veto. some terkish cypriots went to take up their seats at roc parliament with the escort of the un. when they arrived clerides told them that he cannot guarantee their lives if they enter parliment. how could he have the place was full of eoka.

never mind but it will cost you 37.5% to be exact.

[kurupetos]

now listen here kiks baby have a look at the constitution of the roc and tell us if they have removed the veto. some terkish cypriots went to take up their seats at roc parliament with the escort of the un. when they arrived clerides told them that he cannot guarantee their lives if they enter parliment. how could he have the place was full of eoka.

never mind but it will cost you 37.5% to be exact.

Where do you find these lies?

[Kikapu]

now listen here kiks baby have a look at the constitution of the roc and tell us if they have removed the veto. some terkish cypriots went to take up their seats at roc parliament with the escort of the un. when they arrived clerides told them that he cannot guarantee their lives if they enter parliment. how could he have the place was full of eoka.

never mind but it will cost you 37.5% to be exact.

Last time I looked, The RoC entered the whole 100% of Cyprus into the EU under the title of the RoC, therefore it did not cost the RoC anything. The fact that northern part of Cyprus, hence EU territory is illegally occupied by Turkey and the non recognition of the "trnc" by the EU and the world, does not mean the north is lost. If that wasn't bad enough for the partitionist, the Oil and Gas are located off the southern coast of the RoC, hence EU territory. Bottom line is, sooner or later, Turkey will need to give up the north it illegally occupies if it wants to benefit from these Oil and Gas finds as well as keep her dreams alive in becoming an EU member one day, hence no more "trnc" but 100% free RoC.

Inönü told the TCs to return back to the parliament. Are you saying he was sending the TC MP's to their deaths?

The GCs do not need to change anything in the 1960 constitution. As long as the TCs refuse to be participants in it, and the 1976 agreements between Makarios and Denktash, makes the 1960 constitution all but useless for the TCs and the GC can pick and choose what benefits them. I'm sure the GCs are saying "thank you" to the TCs everyday by the TCs willingly not wanting to participate in the government.

[Kikapu]

Kikapooo

Answer the question. If the TCs had the law on their side, why didn't they veto RoC's EU membership? By refusing to use the veto given to the TCs in the 1960 constitution, does that then not mean you did not want to stop the RoC from getting into the EU? You can't have it both ways. The TCs were asked to join in but they refused through Denktash, but he did not veto it. Does this mean the TCs no longer had a veto right or did it mean that the EU membership was going to be welcomed by the TCs and most importantly by Turkey, as long as the GCs voted YES on the Annan Plan.

The GCs deny us our rights plain and simple but this does not mean that these rights have been totally erased, although we have noway of enforcing them its these same rights plus 37% of the island that gives us the partnership in any new solution where we to have to agree which is in fact 50% weight, the GCs cannot resolve the problem 100% on their own.

So the answer is you could not veto Cyprus entering into the EU membership in your so called Internationally recognised agreements that gave rights to the TCs.

How can the RoC give you rights if you are not willing to participate in the RoC government? 37% of the illegally occupied Cyprus does not give you any partnership nor does the 1960 agreements, since Denktash agreed to move forward from a Unitary state to a Federal one, hence the fact all the new agreements that needs to be agreed on. 1960 agreements does not automatically transfer to the new Federal system. But like I said, it is Turkey that is illegally occupying the north, therefore it is a deal between the EU member RoC and Turkey that will be struck to make the whole island 100% free Cyprus. You don't have much say at all when that time comes. Enjoy your stolen properties while you can. It's expiration date is soon approaching.

[Viewpoint]

Get a grip and come back to the real world, any federal solution will have to take into consideration our demands, why do you think that is? Ill tell you in order to save time and avoid your useless posts, its because of those past agreements which the GCs refuse to adhere to and why Turkey intervened. If a solution is to be found we the TCs have to say YES which relates to 50% of the say equal to the GCs, so try to understand how this cookie will crumble. If the GCs or EU try to impose principles which are to the TCs detriment then will have no problem and exercise our right like the GCs to say NO.

[Kikapu]

Get a grip and come back to the real world, any federal solution will have to take into consideration our demands, why do you think that is? Ill tell you in order to save time and avoid your useless posts, its because of those past agreements which the GCs refuse to adhere to and why Turkey intervened. If a solution is to be found we the TCs have to say YES which relates to 50% of the say equal to the GCs, so try to understand how this cookie will crumble. If the GCs or EU try to impose principles which are to the TCs detriment then will have no problem and exercise our right like the GCs to say NO.

Your demands however will not be accepted if they violate others Human Rights as well as the EU principles. We are no longer in pre 2004 where AP violated everything. It's time you came to grip with these terms. Your so called "50%" is limited to what you can ask for what ever was given to you in the 1960 agreements, which now you cannot even exercise them such as the veto power. Once again, you do not have the voice nor the votes in the north. Turkey has the voice and the votes through the Illegal Aliens in the north. Once Turkey sees financial benefits in ending her illegal occupation in Cyprus, you will just have to settle for just like everyone else living as an equal citizen in Cyprus with EU Principles. You demands of an Apartheid system will not be met.

[Viewpoint]

Man you are so far from understanding the dynamics of the Cyprus issue, the 50% vote is our veto, without our agreement the GCs cannot unite the island. If there are issues which we cannot agree on then there will be no solution simple really it doesnt matter if these issues are EU principles or not, the GCs can no longer force their will. As for Turkey who has chosen the TRNC over the EU which you bloody mindedly kept saying they would never do, I trust they will do the right thing for us and them.

[Kikapu]

Man you are so far from understanding the dynamics of the Cyprus issue, the 50% vote is our veto, without our agreement the GCs cannot unite the island. If there are issues which we cannot agree on then there will be no solution simple really it doesnt matter if these issues are EU principles or not, the GCs can no longer force their will. As for Turkey who has chosen the TRNC over the EU which you bloody mindedly kept saying they would never do, I trust they will do the right thing for us and them.

Go ahead and make the RoC's day by saying OXI to the EU Principles!

Listen VP, you should know by now that what ever Turkey does, it is not based on convictions, but rather based on being an opportunist. When the time comes, you will be pushed aside like an old shoe.

[Viewpoint]

Man you are so far from understanding the dynamics of the Cyprus issue, the 50% vote is our veto, without our agreement the GCs cannot unite the island. If there are issues which we cannot agree on then there will be no solution simple really it doesnt matter if these issues are EU principles or not, the GCs can no longer force their will. As for Turkey who has chosen the TRNC over the EU which you bloody mindedly kept saying they would never do, I trust they will do the right thing for us and them.

Go ahead and make the RoC's day by saying OXI to the EU Principles!

Listen VP, you should know by now that what ever Turkey does, it is not based on convictions, but rather based on being an opportunist. When the time comes, you will be pushed aside like an old shoe.

And Im telling you that that day will never come, the Turks are convicted to the TRNC it is the national cause and they will never sell us short unless we say yes, as for the Eu principles being forced upon us just try it and see where it leads, if the is anything negative for the TCs they will push any deal to one side just like the GCs who rejected a plan backed by the EU.

[boulio]

Downer has overplayed his hand as has eroglu ,both will be gone come the fall.