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Did you get the approval of the TCs when you entered the EU?

Did you get our approval when you setup the "TRNC"?

But we are not trying to impose it on you in a new solution, big difference.

Those EU principles bind them VP and those EU principles and everything else also states that the whole island belongs to them. They are the sole representatives of the country.

You have to come to terms with your loss and/or depart from Cyprus.

Who are they? if "they" are the GCs then maybe you can agree with the EU using their principles a solution and live happily ever after, you still dont get it do you, if we dont play ball you have lost 37% of this island forever, you can no longer force us to do anything those day have long gone. If you try and impose EU principles which makes us uncomfortable or places at risk of GC domination and manipulation we will reject the deal just like you did.

[Maximus]

Did you get the approval of the TCs when you entered the EU?

Did you get our approval when you setup the "TRNC"?

But we are not trying to impose it on you in a new solution, big difference.

Those EU principles bind them VP and those EU principles and everything else also states that the whole island belongs to them. They are the sole representatives of the country.

You have to come to terms with your loss and/or depart from Cyprus.

Who are they? if "they" are the GCs then maybe you can agree with the EU using their principles a solution and live happily ever after, you still dont get it do you, if we dont play ball you have lost 37% of this island forever, you can no longer force us to do anything those day have long gone. If you try and impose EU principles which makes us uncomfortable or places at risk of GC domination and manipulation we will reject the deal just like you did.

But Turkey wants to become an EU member state too because the EU's standards are light years ahead of hers, and yours by the sounds of it. It is you that needs to play ball and/or get out. Your side is the imposter, trying to impose something else entirely in Cyprus. Your side has set up the "TRNC" by force. Your side is trying to dominate and manipulate.

[Kikapu]

Where did I say that? you are twisting things again, what was actually said was that you cannot agree a solution with the EU its null and void and worthless unless we accept it...comprendo?

Well, lets do it your way and see what the results are.

Are you and Turkey willing to accept EU Principles for a solution for Cyprus, given the fact that Cyprus is an EU member state and Turkey wants to become an EU member state?

Did you get the approval of the TCs when you entered the EU? NO so these "principles" this bind you not us. But having said that and for the sake of taking a step forward I think the majority of issues would be aligned with EU principles but it would be necessary to address them one by one to see how it would effect the north state and power sharing between the 2 states under a BBF with political equality of the 2 states..

But wait a minute VP. Are you not the one who want to believe that the 1960 agreements are internationally recognized and are still in force and that the TCs are a partner with a veto power, so the question to you is, if you did not want to be in the EU, why didn't you veto the RoC's EU membership. So lets here it, as to why you did not veto the RoC's EU membership entry, and if you did not veto it, that by default, you have consented to the EU membership for Cyprus, even if we were to take the 1960's agreements as still being enforceable just to make you happy.

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maximas

But Turkey wants to become an EU member state too because the EU's standards are light years ahead of hers, and yours by the sounds of it. It is you that needs to play ball and/or get out. Your side is the imposter, trying to impose something else entirely in Cyprus. Your side has set up the "TRNC" by force. Your side is trying to dominate and manipulate.

Whats Turkey wanting to be in the EU (I dont believe this is what the general Turkish public want any longer) got to do with us? Whatever you say about us we are not going anywhere and you have to take into consideration what we want as we have to do the same for you, thats why common ground has to be found you cannot force your principles on us unless we accept them if we feel they place us in risk or give you the upper hand we will reject them, Im sure you will do the same as you did with the Ap prepared by the UN and backed by the EU.

[Viewpoint]

Where did I say that? you are twisting things again, what was actually said was that you cannot agree a solution with the EU its null and void and worthless unless we accept it...comprendo?

Well, lets do it your way and see what the results are.

Are you and Turkey willing to accept EU Principles for a solution for Cyprus, given the fact that Cyprus is an EU member state and Turkey wants to become an EU member state?

Did you get the approval of the TCs when you entered the EU? NO so these "principles" this bind you not us. But having said that and for the sake of taking a step forward I think the majority of issues would be aligned with EU principles but it would be necessary to address them one by one to see how it would effect the north state and power sharing between the 2 states under a BBF with political equality of the 2 states..

But wait a minute VP. Are you not the one who want to believe that the 1960 agreements are internationally recognized and are still in force and that the TCs are a partner with a veto power, so the question to you is, if you did not want to be in the EU, why didn't you veto the RoC's EU membership. So lets here it, as to why you did not veto the RoC's EU membership entry, and if you did not veto it, that by default, you have consented to the EU membership for Cyprus, even if we were to take the 1960's agreements as still being enforceable just to make you happy.

If you had paid notice before I did state we were not asked because the GCs do not want to adhere to the 1960 agreements, they have always opposed them and want to control the whole island without TC input of effective say. But if the GCs truly want a solution which i doubt very much they will have to get our approval on many issues that will go towards making up a new deal.

[Maximus]

Whats Turkey wanting to be in the EU (I dont believe this is what the general Turkish public want any longer) got to do with us?

You have not got a clue what you are talking about have you?

on May 9th, Erdoğan urged the European Union to revive its founding fathers' courageous path and express determination for Turkey's inclusion in the bloc.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-314923- ... ey-in.html

This means that Turkey must comply with every point of the Copenhagen criteria and implement the Ankara protocol to become a full EU member. Which includes, amongst other things;

>Withdraw her troops from Cyprus,
>Repatriate the settlers,
>Ratify UNCLOS (which nullifies her claims on CY gas)
>Recognise the Greek Cypriots as the sole representatives of the island.

Turkey must do all this and open and close all accession chapters. Once this has been completed, all member states must agree for her to be included in the bloc. What has this got to do with you?

[Kikapu]

Where did I say that? you are twisting things again, what was actually said was that you cannot agree a solution with the EU its null and void and worthless unless we accept it...comprendo?

Well, lets do it your way and see what the results are.

Are you and Turkey willing to accept EU Principles for a solution for Cyprus, given the fact that Cyprus is an EU member state and Turkey wants to become an EU member state?

Did you get the approval of the TCs when you entered the EU? NO so these "principles" this bind you not us. But having said that and for the sake of taking a step forward I think the majority of issues would be aligned with EU principles but it would be necessary to address them one by one to see how it would effect the north state and power sharing between the 2 states under a BBF with political equality of the 2 states..

But wait a minute VP. Are you not the one who want to believe that the 1960 agreements are internationally recognized and are still in force and that the TCs are a partner with a veto power, so the question to you is, if you did not want to be in the EU, why didn't you veto the RoC's EU membership. So lets here it, as to why you did not veto the RoC's EU membership entry, and if you did not veto it, that by default, you have consented to the EU membership for Cyprus, even if we were to take the 1960's agreements as still being enforceable just to make you happy.

If you had paid notice before I did state we were not asked because the GCs do not want to adhere to the 1960 agreements, they have always opposed them and want to control the whole island without TC input of effective say. But if the GCs truly want a solution which i doubt very much they will have to get our approval on many issues that will go towards making up a new deal.

Answer the question. If the TCs had the law on their side, why didn't they veto RoC's EU membership? By refusing to use the veto given to the TCs in the 1960 constitution, does that then not mean you did not want to stop the RoC from getting into the EU? You can't have it both ways. The TCs were asked to join in but they refused through Denktash, but he did not veto it. Does this mean the TCs no longer had a veto right or did it mean that the EU membership was going to be welcomed by the TCs and most importantly by Turkey, as long as the GCs voted YES on the Annan Plan.

[Maximus]

The Greek Cypriots took the "TRNC's" land into the EU. why was the TC's veto ineffective in stopping this too?

[Viewpoint]

Whats Turkey wanting to be in the EU (I dont believe this is what the general Turkish public want any longer) got to do with us?

You have not got a clue what you are talking about have you?

on May 9th, Erdoğan urged the European Union to revive its founding fathers' courageous path and express determination for Turkey's inclusion in the bloc.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-314923- ... ey-in.html

This means that Turkey must comply with every point of the Copenhagen criteria and implement the Ankara protocol to become a full EU member. Which includes, amongst other things;

>Withdraw her troops from Cyprus,
>Repatriate the settlers,
>Ratify UNCLOS (which nullifies her claims on CY gas)
>Recognise the Greek Cypriots as the sole representatives of the island.

Turkey must do all this and open and close all accession chapters. Once this has been completed, all member states must agree for her to be included in the bloc. What has this got to do with you?

Plainly put it will never happen...but why dont you hold your breath all the same.

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Kikapooo

Answer the question. If the TCs had the law on their side, why didn't they veto RoC's EU membership? By refusing to use the veto given to the TCs in the 1960 constitution, does that then not mean you did not want to stop the RoC from getting into the EU? You can't have it both ways. The TCs were asked to join in but they refused through Denktash, but he did not veto it. Does this mean the TCs no longer had a veto right or did it mean that the EU membership was going to be welcomed by the TCs and most importantly by Turkey, as long as the GCs voted YES on the Annan Plan.

The GCs deny us our rights plain and simple but this does not mean that these rights have been totally erased, although we have noway of enforcing them its these same rights plus 37% of the island that gives us the partnership in any new solution where we to have to agree which is in fact 50% weight, the GCs cannot resolve the problem 100% on their own.