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[Sotos]

We know how GC s have been preparing since before 1974 and it has not changed . All the intervention had done is stop TC s from being wiped off the map . We know you still have the same mentality but if ever there was war then what you are saying is that nearly every household has a soldier and there for don't complain of barbarism when your houses get bombed and you start to blame Turks for innocent civilian peoples death . Have you not learnt that gorilla warfare has consequences caused by gorilla war fair . Turkey is well trained for gorilla warfair as they have been at war with pkk terrorist attacks since I have been around . They have been at war in the eastern turkey in the mountains forever . Look at what happened in Iraq when the Iraqi soldiers were hiding in civilian houses . It's a gutless way of fighting behind children and women . TC s when they were the minority during 1963 and pre 1974 conflicts (Tmt) as small mujahid were fighting against well armoured and equipped greeks and they did not shy away from head on fighting. Your method of fighting will cause groups of individual characters going off on massacres . A proper uniformed army are under certain rules of combat . What you are saying is it will be free for all . To me this says that you have no care for your women and children and you want to hide in the house behind them but shoot at Turks as and when you feel free to do so . Believe me it won't work that way . TC s are very peacefull people who actually would rather be at peace but Turks are very different in nature and mentality towards war . You are asking for trouble if you take that route . Turkey is not going to stand and accept being shot at by gorilla war fare hit and run tactics . I won't be suprised if you are flattened like Germany was by the allies in reprisal to nazi s ethnic cleansing.

You Turks invented ethnic cleansing and genocide. How do you think you got the land you occupy? ALL of it is stolen from others after you committed ethnic cleansing and genocide against them. Your own country should be called Mongolistan and should be nowhere near us.

[Mustiejodu]

If Turks invented ethnic cleansing how comes they could not achieve this with the greeks in cyprus? They did rule your relatives for over 300 years and yet you still speak greek and yet you still eat pigs. Don't talk rubbish. The Fact that your here in all your glorious cypriot heritage and language is living proof that the ottomans did not do such a thing. Don't try to wipe 300 years off your history. You ruled cyprus for 10 years and what did we see. We saw turkish cypriot villages buried alive. There is no documented atrocities by the Ottoman Empire to have done anything like this in cyprus to your people to what your people done to their own neighbours.

[Paphitis]

Does anyone still think this idiot is Armenian?

[tsukoui]

If Turks invented ethnic cleansing how comes they could not achieve this with the greeks in cyprus? They did rule your relatives for over 300 years and yet you still speak greek and yet you still eat pigs. Don't talk rubbish. The Fact that your here in all your glorious cypriot heritage and language is living proof that the ottomans did not do such a thing. Don't try to wipe 300 years off your history. You ruled cyprus for 10 years and what did we see. We saw turkish cypriot villages buried alive. There is no documented atrocities by the Ottoman Empire to have done anything like this in cyprus to your people to what your people done to their own neighbours.

The Ottoman's were not racist, nor did they promote nationalism. It was only after the fall of the khalifat that the ethnic cleansing began, Armenians, Greeks, Cypriots, Kurds. They got the idea from the West.

[Paphitis]

If Turks invented ethnic cleansing how comes they could not achieve this with the greeks in cyprus? They did rule your relatives for over 300 years and yet you still speak greek and yet you still eat pigs. Don't talk rubbish. The Fact that your here in all your glorious cypriot heritage and language is living proof that the ottomans did not do such a thing. Don't try to wipe 300 years off your history. You ruled cyprus for 10 years and what did we see. We saw turkish cypriot villages buried alive. There is no documented atrocities by the Ottoman Empire to have done anything like this in cyprus to your people to what your people done to their own neighbours.

The Ottoman's were not racist, nor did they promote nationalism. It was only after the fall of the khalifat that the ethnic cleansing began, Armenians, Greeks, Cypriots, Kurds. They got the idea from the West.

You've flipped mate!

[CBBB]

If Turks invented ethnic cleansing how comes they could not achieve this with the greeks in cyprus? They did rule your relatives for over 300 years and yet you still speak greek and yet you still eat pigs. Don't talk rubbish. The Fact that your here in all your glorious cypriot heritage and language is living proof that the ottomans did not do such a thing. Don't try to wipe 300 years off your history. You ruled cyprus for 10 years and what did we see. We saw turkish cypriot villages buried alive. There is no documented atrocities by the Ottoman Empire to have done anything like this in cyprus to your people to what your people done to their own neighbours.

The Ottoman's were not racist, nor did they promote nationalism. It was only after the fall of the khalifat that the ethnic cleansing began, Armenians, Greeks, Cypriots, Kurds. They got the idea from the West.

Famagusta's defenders made terms with the Ottomans before the city was taken by force, since the traditional laws of war allowed for negotiation before the city's defenses were successfully breached, whereas after a city fell by storm all lives and property in the city would be forfeit. The Ottoman commander generously agreed that, in return for the city's surrender, all Westerners in the city could exit under their own flag and be guaranteed safe passage to Crete; Greeks could leave immediately, or wait two years to decide whether to remain in Famagusta under Ottoman rule, or depart the city for any destination of their choice. For the next four days, evacuation proceeded smoothly. Then, at the surrender ceremony where Bragadin offered the vacated city to Mustafa, the Ottoman general, after initially receiving him with every courtesy, began behaving erratically, accusing him of murdering Turkish prisoners and hiding munitions. Suddenly, Mustafa pulled a knife and cut off Bragadin's right ear, then ordered his guards to cut off the other ear and his nose. There followed a massacre of all Christians still in the city, with Bragadin himself most brutally abused. After being left in prison for two weeks, his earlier wounds festering, he was "dragged round the walls with sacks of earth and stone on his back; next, tied to a chair, he was hoisted to the yardarm of the Turkish flagship and exposed to the taunts of the sailors. Finally he was taken to the place of execution in the main square, tied naked to a column, and flayed alive." [1] Bragadin's quartered body was then distributed as a war trophy among the army, and his skin was stuffed with straw and sewn, reinvested with his military insignia, and exhibited riding an ox in a mocking procession along the streets of Famagusta. The macabre trophy, together with the severed heads of general Alvise Martinengo, Gianantonio Querini and castellan Andrea Bragadin, was hoisted upon the masthead pennant of the personal galley of the Ottoman commander, Amir al-bahr Mustafa Pasha, to be brought to Constantinople as a gift for Sultan Selim II.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Antonio_Bragadin

Doesn't sound like the kind of people you would invite round for coffee!

[GreekIslandGirl]

If Turks invented ethnic cleansing how comes they could not achieve this with the greeks in cyprus? They did rule your relatives for over 300 years and yet you still speak greek and yet you still eat pigs. Don't talk rubbish. The Fact that your here in all your glorious cypriot heritage and language is living proof that the ottomans did not do such a thing. Don't try to wipe 300 years off your history. You ruled cyprus for 10 years and what did we see. We saw turkish cypriot villages buried alive. There is no documented atrocities by the Ottoman Empire to have done anything like this in cyprus to your people to what your people done to their own neighbours.

The Ottoman's were not racist, nor did they promote nationalism. It was only after the fall of the khalifat that the ethnic cleansing began, Armenians, Greeks, Cypriots, Kurds. They got the idea from the West.

Famagusta's defenders made terms with the Ottomans before the city was taken by force, since the traditional laws of war allowed for negotiation before the city's defenses were successfully breached, whereas after a city fell by storm all lives and property in the city would be forfeit. The Ottoman commander generously agreed that, in return for the city's surrender, all Westerners in the city could exit under their own flag and be guaranteed safe passage to Crete; Greeks could leave immediately, or wait two years to decide whether to remain in Famagusta under Ottoman rule, or depart the city for any destination of their choice. For the next four days, evacuation proceeded smoothly. Then, at the surrender ceremony where Bragadin offered the vacated city to Mustafa, the Ottoman general, after initially receiving him with every courtesy, began behaving erratically, accusing him of murdering Turkish prisoners and hiding munitions. Suddenly, Mustafa pulled a knife and cut off Bragadin's right ear, then ordered his guards to cut off the other ear and his nose. There followed a massacre of all Christians still in the city, with Bragadin himself most brutally abused. After being left in prison for two weeks, his earlier wounds festering, he was "dragged round the walls with sacks of earth and stone on his back; next, tied to a chair, he was hoisted to the yardarm of the Turkish flagship and exposed to the taunts of the sailors. Finally he was taken to the place of execution in the main square, tied naked to a column, and flayed alive." [1] Bragadin's quartered body was then distributed as a war trophy among the army, and his skin was stuffed with straw and sewn, reinvested with his military insignia, and exhibited riding an ox in a mocking procession along the streets of Famagusta. The macabre trophy, together with the severed heads of general Alvise Martinengo, Gianantonio Querini and castellan Andrea Bragadin, was hoisted upon the masthead pennant of the personal galley of the Ottoman commander, Amir al-bahr Mustafa Pasha, to be brought to Constantinople as a gift for Sultan Selim II.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Antonio_Bragadin

Doesn't sound like the kind of people you would invite round for coffee!

No. Sounds like they would rather skin you, rabbit!

[Mustiejodu]

Thanks for the history lesson but you only mention the negatives. At least some of you know your history even though you have selective memory or selective history. I know the full history of the Ottoman Empire not from a greek perspective but from the historical documents kept by the Turks. You are correct however you have completely neglected to mention any of the good they did. I know that most greeks are brought up to hate Turks and they are brain washed to think Turks are barbaric and they chop heads off. I will agree that this is what they did as invaders to which all invaders done this in that era. What I like to know is what happened in the villages of aloa,Maratha and sandalilar. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. I hope you can prove me wrong that you don't do this?

[Paphitis]

Really sorry but the Ottomans left behind very little as far as a legacy is concerned unlike let's say the Ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Romans and British for instance which actually furthered human development rather than regression.

[Mustiejodu]

You really have a very biased view. You have not studied the ottoman Turks or else you would not make this remark. As I said it is a very selective history that greeks all ways make about Turks. Your hatred for Turks will all ways shadow or cloud your view about Turks. Most of the Muslim world admire the Turks and rightly so. Turks don't give a shit what you lot think about them. We went and stayed at Ayia napa 10 years ago when I was younger with my best mate who was English. It was just when you could cross the borders. We asked for directions to go to the turkish side via Nicosia. Little did the bloke we asked know that we had already been about 8 times via pylla. He said quote '"don't go there they cut your heads off ,they are bad people" until that moment my mate never realised the negative brain washed bull shit that came from the greeks because I never made rude remarks or tried to make greeks look evil. This is my close friend I am talking about. Do you see the difference between us and you say I am a enemy of cypriots. How wrong you are. My mate then asked me quote "are they all twisted like him " I told him no not all of them. You get fucked up people in all races. I responded to this weirdo bloke quote " I have visited my auntie on the turkish side 8 tines and she did not try to cut my head off" he then in shock responded quote " you are all bad people" me and my mate just stared at each other in shock. The bloke looked normal until the word turkish was mentioned and it was as if there was another demon soal in him that just switched him.