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[Maximus]

...either he changes Turkey because he himself changes, or he chooses to bring down the European and Middle Eastern complex to his level, without their Tribute. where is the dignity in that, just to keep the things the way they are, is that not Terrorism, and if not, is that not Plunder?

...as i said vp, it is not Turks, but "Turks" who threaten us all.

They will have to overthrow him but I have been saying this for a a few years now. Erdogan will bring Turkey to her knees before he leaves office.

He is guilty, he is happy to plunder the EU without complying with a single point of the Copenhagen criteria (VP & Co support this), looting and death in Syria, terrorism, occupying a foreign country, violating others sovereign rights, oppressing minorities, the lot....

[Maximus]

Andrew Duff, a British politician and member of the European Parliament's Committee on Constitutional Affairs has criticized the deadlocked to draft a new constitution in Turkey. Saying, "It is absurd to give political parties a veto power on each and every article of the draft constitution".

He also noted that it appears this reconciliation exercise among the four parties was set up to fail. “Certainly the procedure where each party has a veto on everything else is completely absurd. It was never going to work."

Does this remind us of anything? What is likely to happen next?

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-315892- ... start.html

[Viewpoint]

Where have you been?

Proof? throwing shit around hoping it sticks is easy, you have no real proof of what you claim.

Support from the international community for the rebels is declining. The world has come to realise that the rebels are a foreign Islamist radical incursion. Turkey hosts and supports this incursion into Syria which has so far cost 90,000 lives.

Turkey, on the wrong side of history, again.

Proof?

what do you want me to prove exactly? Are you denying this?

That Turkey is in fact doing what you claim otherwise you are a liar.

[Viewpoint]

And replace Assad with whom exactly, a non Democratic and backward Islamist?

So you support Ass-ad.

Not necessarily. I'm just asking the question. The one who has been supporting Assad for years has been your MP Erdogan, also supporting the likes of Gaddafi, Mubarak and all the tin pot dictators, just because he sees himself as one of them. Were you not rooting for Assad when he allowed Ferry service to come from Syria to the north at the request of Erdogan? By the way, what ever happened to that ferry service?

The USA tried to help the Muslims in their own country to become democratic through the "Arab Spring" and all they got in return was a spit in their eyes and dead ambassador, is the reason as to why the USA won't enter Syria. They are hoping Turkey will, since Turkey was the first country to lead the march to invade syria but stopped at the border when she found herself to be the only one. After all the bravado, downed F-4 with two dead pilots, many killed through bombings, Turkey has done fcuk all to back up her self imposed regional power credentials. Not surprising as to why Syria is not afraid of Turkey, because Turkey's bark is much more than her bite, and the Mavi Marmara incident exposed Turkey's weakness that she cannot do anything she spouts out after any incident, and there has been many in recent years. It is true, Turkey has become all talk and no action. Now do you understand why I state that Turkey has no convictions, but she is ONLY an opportunist. Can't wait to find out what was promised to the Kurds to allow the PKK to leave Turkey. Perhaps their own independent Kurdistan in Eastern part of Turkey? Without the impoverished Eastern Turkey, the rest of the country can grow much faster as Turkey heads towards the 100th anniversary of Republic of Turkey in 2023. Erdogan promised many things by then, like the word's 10th economy, building cars and planes, income around $25,000 per capita and an EU member state. One can dream, I guess!

The above bullshit reveals that you salving at the mouth wanting Turkey to enter a war so that she can be pulled to pieces, Erdoğan is doing the right thing he should stay out and not get involved with direct combat, its not necessary and it would be grave mistake to take such a step. Your encouraging war reveals more about you than anything else, Turkey is doing the right thing by playing it cool on the sidelines.

[Maximus]

this has only been going on for the last 2 years VP.

This video was uploaded 6 months ago,




Read and bring yourself up to speed : cyprus37134.html

[Viewpoint]

...it is not just Syria, it is the bravado that represents itself with the fisticuffs UNHQ security suffered, yet he still walked through the wrong door.

how is this man credible, when he alludes to a neo-Ottoman favour in his thinking, an Imperialist in other words, in action and tone.

...how did this all begin, does anyone remember? indeed, it may be Turkey next.

hate against Turkey and their leaders is inbred into your DNA so you are hardly impartial and will say just about anything to discredit the Turks.

...getting deperate vp, it is worrying isn't it; time to get your nose out of the book, time to smell the fresh air for yourself, without shooting messengers, or acting like a racist pig because somewhere in your life you found a dogma that suits "your" needs. Turkey is in trouble. and Turks, (as in Cyprus), are in trouble because of the "Turks" which live amongst them.

if we can learn anything from this, it is that this extremism is rooted in Ignorance anywhere where it appears. indeed, let the big boys as you say, play. but that does not prevent the rest of us to seek on our own the Truth, and to express this thinking in words, and acts.

@ Maximus, beside external policy, billions have been spent on several mega-projects, with elections coming in a year and a half (correct me if i'm wrong), there is (just) enough time for these investments to reveal their flaws. this will coincide with the conclusion of exploratory drilling of Block 12, and the beginning of exploratory drilling in other Blocks, and in other countries, such as Lebanon, (and Greece); what better way for a man like Erdogan to skate through the re-election scrutiny but another war?

...either he changes Turkey because he himself changes, or he chooses to bring down the European and Middle Eastern complex to his level, without their Tribute. where is the dignity in that, just to keep the things the way they are, is that not Terrorism, and if not, is that not Plunder?

...as i said vp, it is not Turks, but "Turks" who threaten us all.

Whos desperate whos nose is in a book?, you make absolutely no sense what so ever, your hatred for anything Turkish has blinded your ability to think straight therefore making your posts gobbledygook.

[Viewpoint]

this has only been going on for the last 2 years VP.





Read and bring yourself up to speed : cyprus37134.html

Proof? this is not proof of what you claim.

[Maximus]

your deluded VP,

[Viewpoint]

...either he changes Turkey because he himself changes, or he chooses to bring down the European and Middle Eastern complex to his level, without their Tribute. where is the dignity in that, just to keep the things the way they are, is that not Terrorism, and if not, is that not Plunder?

...as i said vp, it is not Turks, but "Turks" who threaten us all.

They will have to overthrow him but I have been saying this for a a few years now. Erdogan will bring Turkey to her knees before he leaves office.

He is guilty, he is happy to plunder the EU without complying with a single point of the Copenhagen criteria (VP & Co support this), looting and death in Syria, terrorism, occupying a foreign country, violating others sovereign rights, oppressing minorities, the lot....

Rubbish.

[Kikapu]

And replace Assad with whom exactly, a non Democratic and backward Islamist?

So you support Ass-ad.

Not necessarily. I'm just asking the question. The one who has been supporting Assad for years has been your MP Erdogan, also supporting the likes of Gaddafi, Mubarak and all the tin pot dictators, just because he sees himself as one of them. Were you not rooting for Assad when he allowed Ferry service to come from Syria to the north at the request of Erdogan? By the way, what ever happened to that ferry service?

The USA tried to help the Muslims in their own country to become democratic through the "Arab Spring" and all they got in return was a spit in their eyes and dead ambassador, is the reason as to why the USA won't enter Syria. They are hoping Turkey will, since Turkey was the first country to lead the march to invade syria but stopped at the border when she found herself to be the only one. After all the bravado, downed F-4 with two dead pilots, many killed through bombings, Turkey has done fcuk all to back up her self imposed regional power credentials. Not surprising as to why Syria is not afraid of Turkey, because Turkey's bark is much more than her bite, and the Mavi Marmara incident exposed Turkey's weakness that she cannot do anything she spouts out after any incident, and there has been many in recent years. It is true, Turkey has become all talk and no action. Now do you understand why I state that Turkey has no convictions, but she is ONLY an opportunist. Can't wait to find out what was promised to the Kurds to allow the PKK to leave Turkey. Perhaps their own independent Kurdistan in Eastern part of Turkey? Without the impoverished Eastern Turkey, the rest of the country can grow much faster as Turkey heads towards the 100th anniversary of Republic of Turkey in 2023. Erdogan promised many things by then, like the word's 10th economy, building cars and planes, income around $25,000 per capita and an EU member state. One can dream, I guess!

The above bullshit reveals that you salving at the mouth wanting Turkey to enter a war so that she can be pulled to pieces, Erdoğan is doing the right thing he should stay out and not get involved with direct combat, its not necessary and it would be grave mistake to take such a step. Your encouraging war reveals more about you than anything else, Turkey is doing the right thing by playing it cool on the sidelines.

So you admit, that Turkey is all talk and no show, the so called regional power. So she has no convictions if she believes that Assad should go because of the deaths of so many people across Syria, which has to be pointed out, that at least half of the deaths are committed by forces supported by Turkey directly.

I'm not saying Turkey should be involved directly in Syria, but when Turkey keeps saying Assad should go and that he will pay when the time comes and that no one should tests Turkey's power, blah blah blah, this has to be backed by real action instead of wanting others to go first, so that she can take credit for something she did not have the courage to do the job herself, much like when Erdogan refused to go after his good friend Gaddafi in Libya after the west went to kick his butt, but Erdogan came to Libya after the fact to collect "thank yous" from the people of Libya. What he really wanted was some oil but the French, Italians, British and the Americans had already mopped up all the oil for themselves. So this time Turkey wanted to be the leader of the pack to go into Syria so that she can take most of the credit for taking down his good friend, Assad, but the west are also opportunistic when it comes to Oil, and since there is no Oil in Syria, the west is staying put. I guess Erdogan did not know that there was no Oil in Syria, so now Turkey is left holding the empty barrel. Syria will never forget that Turkey supported forces to get rid of Assad if and when the dust settles in Syria. Turkey will become Syria's No. 1 enemy, so in reality, Turkey will pay the price now and in the future as long as Assad remains in power. This is what happens if you give your enemy the opportunity to re group to fight a another day if you did not finish him off when you had the chance. Turkey had the chance, but she did not have the conviction or the courage.

Anyway, I'm really curious, if the ferry service from Syria to the north still in operation or not?