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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun May 19, 2013 4:34 pm

Maximus wrote:Where have you been? :?



Proof? throwing shit around hoping it sticks is easy, you have no real proof of what you claim.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun May 19, 2013 4:36 pm

Kikapu wrote:
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Maximus wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Assad should go and the people should hold an election to elect their leaders.


What should Erdogan do?


Support the side trying to get rid of assad.


And replace Assad with whom exactly, a non Democratic and backward Islamist? :roll:


So you support Ass-ad.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Maximus » Sun May 19, 2013 5:02 pm

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Maximus wrote:Where have you been? :?


Proof? throwing shit around hoping it sticks is easy, you have no real proof of what you claim.


Support from the international community for the rebels is declining. The world has come to realise that the rebels are a foreign Islamist radical incursion. Turkey hosts and supports this incursion into Syria which has so far cost 90,000 lives.

Turkey, on the wrong side of history, again.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun May 19, 2013 5:29 pm

...it is not just Syria, it is the bravado that represents itself with the fisticuffs UNHQ security suffered, yet he still walked through the wrong door.

how is this man credible, when he alludes to a neo-Ottoman favour in his thinking, an Imperialist in other words, in action and tone.

...how did this all begin, does anyone remember? indeed, it may be Turkey next.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun May 19, 2013 5:34 pm

Maximus wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Maximus wrote:Where have you been? :?


Proof? throwing shit around hoping it sticks is easy, you have no real proof of what you claim.


Support from the international community for the rebels is declining. The world has come to realise that the rebels are a foreign Islamist radical incursion. Turkey hosts and supports this incursion into Syria which has so far cost 90,000 lives.

Turkey, on the wrong side of history, again.


Proof?
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun May 19, 2013 5:37 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...it is not just Syria, it is the bravado that represents itself with the fisticuffs UNHQ security suffered, yet he still walked through the wrong door.

how is this man credible, when he alludes to a neo-Ottoman favour in his thinking, an Imperialist in other words, in action and tone.

...how did this all begin, does anyone remember? indeed, it may be Turkey next.



hate against Turkey and their leaders is inbred into your DNA so you are hardly impartial and will say just about anything to discredit the Turks.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Maximus » Sun May 19, 2013 5:46 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...it is not just Syria, it is the bravado that represents itself with the fisticuffs UNHQ security suffered, yet he still walked through the wrong door.

how is this man credible, when he alludes to a neo-Ottoman favour in his thinking, an Imperialist in other words, in action and tone.

...how did this all begin, does anyone remember? indeed, it may be Turkey next.


There are many bravados. Theres the fisticuff at the UN you mention, the EU accession + gas + cyprob saga, the racism in europe because Turkey cant progress speech. The ridiculing Europe speech, the dont test Turkey speech, the EU needs Turkey more than Turkey needs the EU speech, the jailed journalists and freedom of speech, the no separation of powers speech, the regional superpower speech, Davos with Shimon Peres, the Mavi Marmara, Greece's EEZ, the Zionisim is a crime against humanity speech, befriending recognised terrorist groups......etc

Erdogan has no credibility, his reputation, along with his cabinet's is garbage outside of Turkey.

It is Turkey next....
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Maximus » Sun May 19, 2013 5:47 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Maximus wrote:Where have you been? :?


Proof? throwing shit around hoping it sticks is easy, you have no real proof of what you claim.


Support from the international community for the rebels is declining. The world has come to realise that the rebels are a foreign Islamist radical incursion. Turkey hosts and supports this incursion into Syria which has so far cost 90,000 lives.


Turkey, on the wrong side of history, again.


Proof?


what do you want me to prove exactly? Are you denying this?
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Kikapu » Sun May 19, 2013 6:17 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Assad should go and the people should hold an election to elect their leaders.


What should Erdogan do?


Support the side trying to get rid of assad.


And replace Assad with whom exactly, a non Democratic and backward Islamist? :roll:


So you support Ass-ad.


Not necessarily. I'm just asking the question. The one who has been supporting Assad for years has been your MP Erdogan, also supporting the likes of Gaddafi, Mubarak and all the tin pot dictators, just because he sees himself as one of them. Were you not rooting for Assad when he allowed Ferry service to come from Syria to the north at the request of Erdogan? By the way, what ever happened to that ferry service?

The USA tried to help the Muslims in their own country to become democratic through the "Arab Spring" and all they got in return was a spit in their eyes and dead ambassador, is the reason as to why the USA won't enter Syria. They are hoping Turkey will, since Turkey was the first country to lead the march to invade syria but stopped at the border when she found herself to be the only one. After all the bravado, downed F-4 with two dead pilots, many killed through bombings, Turkey has done fcuk all to back up her self imposed regional power credentials. Not surprising as to why Syria is not afraid of Turkey, because Turkey's bark is much more than her bite, and the Mavi Marmara incident exposed Turkey's weakness that she cannot do anything she spouts out after any incident, and there has been many in recent years. It is true, Turkey has become all talk and no action. Now do you understand why I state that Turkey has no convictions, but she is ONLY an opportunist. Can't wait to find out what was promised to the Kurds to allow the PKK to leave Turkey. Perhaps their own independent Kurdistan in Eastern part of Turkey? Without the impoverished Eastern Turkey, the rest of the country can grow much faster as Turkey heads towards the 100th anniversary of Republic of Turkey in 2023. Erdogan promised many things by then, like the word's 10th economy, building cars and planes, income around $25,000 per capita and an EU member state. One can dream, I guess!
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun May 19, 2013 6:18 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...it is not just Syria, it is the bravado that represents itself with the fisticuffs UNHQ security suffered, yet he still walked through the wrong door.

how is this man credible, when he alludes to a neo-Ottoman favour in his thinking, an Imperialist in other words, in action and tone.

...how did this all begin, does anyone remember? indeed, it may be Turkey next.



hate against Turkey and their leaders is inbred into your DNA so you are hardly impartial and will say just about anything to discredit the Turks.


...getting deperate vp, it is worrying isn't it; time to get your nose out of the book, time to smell the fresh air for yourself, without shooting messengers, or acting like a racist pig because somewhere in your life you found a dogma that suits "your" needs. Turkey is in trouble. and Turks, (as in Cyprus), are in trouble because of the "Turks" which live amongst them.

if we can learn anything from this, it is that this extremism is rooted in Ignorance anywhere where it appears. indeed, let the big boys as you say, play. but that does not prevent the rest of us to seek on our own the Truth, and to express this thinking in words, and acts.

@ Maximus, beside external policy, billions have been spent on several mega-projects, with elections coming in a year and a half (correct me if i'm wrong), there is (just) enough time for these investments to reveal their flaws. this will coincide with the conclusion of exploratory drilling of Block 12, and the beginning of exploratory drilling in other Blocks, and in other countries, such as Lebanon, (and Greece); what better way for a man like Erdogan to skate through the re-election scrutiny but another war?

...either he changes Turkey because he himself changes, or he chooses to bring down the European and Middle Eastern complex to his level, without their Tribute. where is the dignity in that, just to keep the things the way they are, is that not Terrorism, and if not, is that not Plunder?

...as i said vp, it is not Turks, but "Turks" who threaten us all.
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