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Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby boulio » Fri May 17, 2013 8:20 pm

turkey has the right to intervene to protect the 1960 Agreement and restore it, which happened on july 23 1974 when the junta fell.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri May 17, 2013 8:41 pm

boulio wrote:turkey has the right to intervene to protect the 1960 Agreement and restore it, which happened on july 23 1974 when the junta fell.


But you shit all over the 1960 agreements and declared them unworkable, even today you reject it, so how do you expect Turkey to restore something you had no intention of making work.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Maximus » Fri May 17, 2013 9:45 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...makes sense in a perverted way: Turkey is the world's broker for heroin, Turkey wants to be a world leader brokering Gaz (the stuff that wars are made of); why not a broker for Human traffic?


All through illegitimate ways and Turkey is a human trafficking broker. According to the EU, she is the worst violator for smuggling immigrants through her territory in to Greece. They arrive by the hundreds daily and pay around €3000 to smugglers to get them in. In a perverted way, Turkey is acting as a bridge between east and west. Once the immigrants are smuggled in, they dont know what they are going to do or how they are going to do it. They have not thought that far ahead but it become Greece's and the EU's burden.

repulsewarrior wrote:...it is possible that Turkey will Modernise its State, so that it is Bicommunal, a Federation, and Bizonal, where the Federal Government is Sovereign in representing its Citizens, and where there are Territorial Jurisdictions where people as Persons acting in National Assemblies to sustain and promote the distinctions of this Identity choose, in demonstrating Goodwill toward the minorities amongst them.


Can you see this coming from the Turks?

repulsewarrior wrote:...a Turkish spring is not as far off as Erdogan thinks, the billions that are being spent on grand projects is difficult enough to manage, but he adds to the risks he takes in Turkey's International affairs with a belligerance which costs billions more; too boot, thanks to wikileaks, we know it is a charade, confidence, and credibility, are issues, amongst his global partners.


If they cant agree at these peace talks to solve the 'Kurdish question', there very well could be a Turkish spring. With the spill over of Syria in the mix, things can get quite explosive.

The country is split. 30% are kurds, that would prefer to not live under the Turks or the Turkish banner if they had a choice. From those that remain, a slight majority prefer to look at the world through an Islamic eastern filter. Only about 30% of Turkeys population want to join the EU and identify themselves as Europeans. These investments are mostly European too and they have probably been made on the western sides of the country. This area is historically Greek. The EU can scoop up her investments by ceding the area to Greece and bring them all in house. Is it better to feed an Islamic risky schizophrenic that will not reform, even through her own choice but threats instead?

Turkey must stay secular and observe international law if she is to modernize but Erdogan is spinning too many 'wobbly' plates in my opinion, to the detriment of everyone in the region.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri May 17, 2013 9:55 pm

Maximus wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...makes sense in a perverted way: Turkey is the world's broker for heroin, Turkey wants to be a world leader brokering Gaz (the stuff that wars are made of); why not a broker for Human traffic?


All through illegitimate ways and Turkey is a human trafficking broker. According to the EU, she is the worst violator for smuggling immigrants through her territory in to Greece. They arrive by the hundreds daily and pay around €3000 to smugglers to get them in. In a perverted way, Turkey is acting as a bridge between east and west. Once the immigrants are smuggled in, they dont know what they are going to do or how they are going to do it. They have not thought that far ahead but it become Greece's and the EU's burden.

repulsewarrior wrote:...it is possible that Turkey will Modernise its State, so that it is Bicommunal, a Federation, and Bizonal, where the Federal Government is Sovereign in representing its Citizens, and where there are Territorial Jurisdictions where people as Persons acting in National Assemblies to sustain and promote the distinctions of this Identity choose, in demonstrating Goodwill toward the minorities amongst them.


Can you see this coming from the Turks?

repulsewarrior wrote:...a Turkish spring is not as far off as Erdogan thinks, the billions that are being spent on grand projects is difficult enough to manage, but he adds to the risks he takes in Turkey's International affairs with a belligerance which costs billions more; too boot, thanks to wikileaks, we know it is a charade, confidence, and credibility, are issues, amongst his global partners.


If they cant agree at these peace talks to solve the 'Kurdish question', there very well could be a Turkish spring. With the spill over of Syria in the mix, things can get quite explosive.

The country is split. 30% are kurds, that would prefer to not live under the Turks or the Turkish banner if they had a choice. From those that remain, a slight majority prefer to look at the world through an Islamic eastern filter. Only about 30% of Turkeys population want to join the EU and identify themselves as Europeans. These investments are mostly European too and they have probably been made on the western sides of the country. This area is historically Greek. The EU can scoop up her investments by ceding the area to Greece and bring them all in house. Is it better to feed an Islamic risky schizophrenic that will not reform that threats?

Turkey must stay secular and observe international law if she is to modernize but Erdogan is spinning too many 'wobbly' plates in my opinion, to the detriment of everyone in the region.


Are you for real maxi, the above post says a lot more about how your mind works than anything else, and it aint pretty theres not hope of finding any middle ground with extremists such as yourself.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat May 18, 2013 3:49 am

resolve matters; that's so funny...
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Maximus » Sat May 18, 2013 5:53 pm

Erdogan wants to sue the main opposition leader for comparing him to Assad.

He is glad though, because that way Erdogan will shed light into what happened in Uludere. Kılıçdaroğlu had argued that there is only a "difference in shades" between Erdoğan and Assad.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/main-o ... sCatID=338
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat May 18, 2013 7:00 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Maximus wrote:Turkey does not have an internationally recognized agreement which states that she can occupy the northern third of Cyprus.


Thats where you are wrong, Turkey has the right to intervene, in order to resolve matters then she will leave. Have we resolved anything no so thats why she will remain, simple really but unfortunately you are unable to comprehend facts.


resolve matters; that's so funny...

...for who, Cypriots or "Turks"?
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Erdogan has brought a war to Turkey's doorsteps

Postby Maximus » Sat May 18, 2013 8:41 pm

Erdogan has brought a war to Turkey's doorsteps,

"He has made a colossal blunder"

Angry protestors of his support for the Syrian rebels have been tear gassed at the same town that saw the deadly car bombings a week ago.

"Its blow back time until Turkey changes course in relation to Syria."

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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat May 18, 2013 9:19 pm

@ Maxi, i don't expect much from Erdogan, more of the same, his kind of corruption just like any other, feeds on itself. however, in the most hopeful sense, the Modern Age has ended another begins, he has the capacity to choose differently, it is a fair assumption to expect any living being has the ability to change, even this idiot who can do no better than to tarnish the vision that made Turkey a State, regime change instead of the Kemalists, Freedom maybe, but no Liberty, unless you are "Turkish" enough. he seeks to change the face of Europe, first he must change himself, Turkey too is made of many faces.

...and like all Humans, i have faith in People, Turk or not, Spring returns eternal.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Maximus » Sat May 18, 2013 9:22 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:@ Maxi, i don't expect much from Erdogan, more of the same, his kind of corruption just like any other, feeds on itself. however, in the most hopeful sense, the Modern Age has ended another begins, he has the capacity to choose differently, it is a fair assumption to expect any living being has the ability to change, even this idiot who can do no better than to tarnish the vision that made Turkey a State, regime change instead of the Kemalists, Freedom maybe, but no Liberty, unless you are "Turkish" enough.

...and like all Humans, i have faith in People, Turk or not, Spring returns eternal.


I am not as hopeful as you Repulse, but I agree fully with your opening sentence.

Erdogan has agreed with Obama that Assad must go!
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