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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Demonax » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:15 pm

Lordo wrote:there is no may about it. leaders change policy does not. surely man of your intellect could see that a mile away.


Don't be daft. A country that doesn't change its policies and adapt to new circumstances is doomed to stagnate. That's exactly Turkey's problem. Anyone of intellect could see that. You are living proof of everything that is reactionary, narrow-minded and belligerent about Turkey. All the ugly side of Turkey that's been exposed to the world this week.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Lordo » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:19 pm

Demonax wrote:
Lordo wrote:there is no may about it. leaders change policy does not. surely man of your intellect could see that a mile away.


Don't be daft. A country that doesn't change its policies and adapt to new circumstances is doomed to stagnate. That's exactly Turkey's problem. Anyone of intellect could see that. You are living proof of everything that is reactionary, narrow-minded and belligerent about Turkey. All the ugly side of Turkey that's been exposed to the world this week.

where did i say i support what has been happening in terkey since akp won. are you reading my posts or just making it up as you go along. if i post something and you dont understsnd just as, i am sure shitapu will come along and explain it to you.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Demonax » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:37 pm

Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote:there is no may about it. leaders change policy does not. surely man of your intellect could see that a mile away.


Don't be daft. A country that doesn't change its policies and adapt to new circumstances is doomed to stagnate. That's exactly Turkey's problem. Anyone of intellect could see that. You are living proof of everything that is reactionary, narrow-minded and belligerent about Turkey. All the ugly side of Turkey that's been exposed to the world this week.

where did i say i support what has been happening in terkey since akp won. are you reading my posts or just making it up as you go along. if i post something and you dont understsnd just as, i am sure shitapu will come along and explain it to you.


What do you take us for? All you do is regurgitate AKP propaganda and threats. What do you think you sound like when you come on here and demand GCs accept Turkey's terms for a solution or risk losing the occupied areas? Do you think we haven't heard that since 2004? Do we think we take kindly to being threatened? We are a stubborn people and don't like being threatened. So back off. We negotiate when we're ready and when the solution is right for us. Comprende?
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:40 pm

Dont you support democracy? over 50% of the electorate voted for AKP.....make your bloody minds up. Or do you support that people are allowed to oppose an elected government against what they feel is wrong even though they are the minority? if you do then you are a fucking hypocrite.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Kikapu » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:57 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Dont you support democracy? over 50% of the electorate voted for AKP.....make your bloody minds up. Or do you support that people are allowed to oppose an elected government against what they feel is wrong even though they are the minority? if you do then you are a fucking hypocrite.


You are of course confusing democratically elected leader such as Erdogan, to that same leader to rule the whole country as a dictator, just because he was elected by the majority. Hitler too was elected democratically by the majority, so what's your point? Did you agree in the way Hitler ruled also? Erdogan wasn't elected to be a king and to rule by decree. That's not democracy. In fact, in any true democratic country, Erdogan would have been impeached by now and thrown out of office. Democracy is not only about one man one vote. That's just the first step. Erdogan, nor you as it appears, has learned the rest of the "pillars of democracy". I would suggest you get the book on "Democracy 101 for Idiots" to read. Whether you will comprehend what you read is another matter however.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Demonax » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:04 am

Viewpoint wrote:Dont you support democracy? over 50% of the electorate voted for AKP.....make your bloody minds up. Or do you support that people are allowed to oppose an elected government against what they feel is wrong even though they are the minority? if you do then you are a fucking hypocrite.


What the hell are you on about? Since when has being elected by a majority mean that you can ignore the rights of those who are not in the governing majority? The problem in Turkey is the absence of minority rights: be they women, Christians, leftists, Kurds, secularists, Armenians etc. While imprisoning anyone who disagrees with the ruling party like journalists, politicians and lawyers.

Erdogan thinks he just governs for the AKP and his religious conservatives and to hell with everyone else who disagrees with him. That's why Turks are on the streets, protesting. What Turkey needs is to respect minority rights. Not trample over minority groups, imprison them, assault them and treat them like dirt. That way lies fascism...
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:19 am

Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Dont you support democracy? over 50% of the electorate voted for AKP.....make your bloody minds up. Or do you support that people are allowed to oppose an elected government against what they feel is wrong even though they are the minority? if you do then you are a fucking hypocrite.


What the hell are you on about? Since when has being elected by a majority mean that you can ignore the rights of those who are not in the governing majority? The problem in Turkey is the absence of minority rights: be they women, Christians, leftists, Kurds, secularists, Armenians etc. While imprisoning anyone who disagrees with the ruling party like journalists, politicians and lawyers.

Erdogan thinks he just governs for the AKP and his religious conservatives and to hell with everyone else who disagrees with him. That's why Turks are on the streets, protesting. What Turkey needs is to respect minority rights. Not trample over minority groups, imprison them, assault them and treat them like dirt. That way lies fascism...


You need to forgive VP, because Democracy, Human Rights and International law are not his strong points!
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Demonax » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:38 am

Kikapu wrote:
You need to forgive VP, because Democracy, Human Rights and International law are not his strong points!


For sure. Even when he takes the moral high ground and thinks he’s being a democrat he can’t help but expose his underlying fascist beliefs! It's just like having Erdogan with us! :lol:
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:11 am

your elambuis saying the reason terkey does not attack is because she scared. roll it up my friend roll it up now.

terkey is allowed to support any people who are fighting agaist dictatorship. in anycase any help that goes through terkey is actually american. the terks are only facilitating the transport.

as to terrorists, are you really supporting assad. are you really trhat fascist.
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Re: Could this be the beginning of the Turkish Spring?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:13 am

Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Dont you support democracy? over 50% of the electorate voted for AKP.....make your bloody minds up. Or do you support that people are allowed to oppose an elected government against what they feel is wrong even though they are the minority? if you do then you are a fucking hypocrite.


What the hell are you on about? Since when has being elected by a majority mean that you can ignore the rights of those who are not in the governing majority? The problem in Turkey is the absence of minority rights: be they women, Christians, leftists, Kurds, secularists, Armenians etc. While imprisoning anyone who disagrees with the ruling party like journalists, politicians and lawyers.

Erdogan thinks he just governs for the AKP and his religious conservatives and to hell with everyone else who disagrees with him. That's why Turks are on the streets, protesting. What Turkey needs is to respect minority rights. Not trample over minority groups, imprison them, assault them and treat them like dirt. That way lies fascism...


Now you have understood the crux of the Cyprus problem, the Gcs being Erdoğan and the TCs being the protestors.
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