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[Oceanside50]

The Turks are getting mighty ansy about Cyprus drilling for hydrocarbons. Could Turkey be left out in the cold on this one?

http://famagusta-gazette.com/turkey-exp ... 240-69.htm

[Maximus]

One of many cases erdogan will bring up.

so far, it is looking like Erdogan's Turkey is playing a desperate hand and will remain out in the cold if he continues to seek council from Davutoglu.

Apr. 18, 2013 update: Barry Rubin goes a step further than me, seeing in Erdoğan's behavior not just a lesson for Israelis but also for Americans: "What Israel's conciliatory behavior actually did was to expose the Turkish regime's bad faith, showing that it is impossible to deal with it, an experience comprehended now in Washington for the first time."

Here is the full article by Dr Daniel Pipes.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2013/03 ... apology-to

[Oceanside50]

Uncle Sams invisible hand is getting closer..

[GreekIslandGirl]

Isn't it horrible when other countries (Turkey and USA in this case) make it their business to discuss our business!

Neither of them are even in the EU.

Why doesn't the EU stand up and voice its authority. After all, it owns us now and we are one of its biggest assets (and liabilities).

[bill cobbett]

One of many cases erdogan will bring up.

so far, it is looking like Erdogan's Turkey is playing a desperate hand and will remain out in the cold if he continues to seek council from Davutoglu.

Apr. 18, 2013 update: Barry Rubin goes a step further than me, seeing in Erdoğan's behavior not just a lesson for Israelis but also for Americans: "What Israel's conciliatory behavior actually did was to expose the Turkish regime's bad faith, showing that it is impossible to deal with it, an experience comprehended now in Washington for the first time."

Here is the full article by Dr Daniel Pipes.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2013/03 ... apology-to

Yes, thx for that Maxi... just about sums up the underlying bad faith that has exemplified Turkey for decades.

Here's the picky of ads posted around Turkey in the aftermath of the mistake by our friends in Israel to reach out the hand of friendship to Turkey. Bad Faith or not...???

[Maximus]

which reads,

"Israel apologized to Turkey. Dear Prime Minister, we are grateful that you let our country experience this pride." (small sad netenyahu vs big man erdogan)

It's pure propaganda, to score points, no matter how illogical Erdogans performance was, he wants to run his victory lap, as the article from Dr Pipes states.

[Maximus]

Isn't it horrible when other countries (Turkey and USA in this case) make it their business to discuss our business!

Neither of them are even in the EU.

Why doesn't the EU stand up and voice its authority. After all, it owns us now and we are one of its biggest assets (and liabilities).

I think it has and things are moving along. erdogan is desperate.

[boomerang]

Some kind of a regional super power this turkey is...

Bitchslapped more than 3 times in just as many years...having to run to her limp for endorsement...wait for the erdog to whine and pull the we turks need to save face card on Obama...
Rgional powers don't ask for permission they act...even little tiny cyprus stuck their finger...
Ask yourself this...turkey bitchslapped by syria and israel and after all the posturing does nothing...how will it be seen attacking a much much smaller nation?...the turkeys will lose big time on this...
Yes desperation and rhetoric from the turks...

The little birdie has flown the coup as we speak...turkeys impotency in not stopping the drilling in the first was her downfall...
Now it's a face saving exercise for the turks...it's going to be a tough sell to all the turkeys out there...all the pre posturing and having nothing to show off...

[Oceanside50]

Isn't it horrible when other countries (Turkey and USA in this case) make it their business to discuss our business!

Neither of them are even in the EU.

Why doesn't the EU stand up and voice its authority. After all, it owns us now and we are one of its biggest assets (and liabilities).

I think it has and things are moving along. erdogan is desperate.

I think, too, that the Turks are desperate, things may not be going as planned as Erdogan is turning more towards Islamification of Turkey rather then the West, they need a "home run" to bring the ship back into its course ie towards the west and the Eu. The next economic boom in the western world will come from cheap bountiful energy.. How can Turkey in the near future compete economically with the nations around it that will have/or have cheap plentiful energy and Turkey has none. Even the Eu, with Cyprus and Greece's hydrocarbons will be fueling its economy with cheap energy for the next 100 years.

[Maximus]

Isn't it horrible when other countries (Turkey and USA in this case) make it their business to discuss our business!

Neither of them are even in the EU.

Why doesn't the EU stand up and voice its authority. After all, it owns us now and we are one of its biggest assets (and liabilities).

I think it has and things are moving along. erdogan is desperate.

I think, too, that the Turks are desperate, things may not be going as planned as Erdogan is turning more towards Islamification of Turkey rather then the West, they need a "home run" to bring the ship back into its course ie towards the west and the Eu. The next economic boom in the western world will come from cheap bountiful energy.. How can Turkey in the near future compete economically with the nations around it that will have/or have cheap plentiful energy and Turkey has none. Even the Eu, with Cyprus and Greece's hydrocarbons will be fueling its economy with cheap energy for the next 100 years.

Turkey is completely misguided.Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yıldız says it is possible that a cooperation in energy between Turkey and Israel follow an anticipated rapprochement. Turkey will then not only warm to partnering in energy deals with Israel but also would like to see Cyprus be involved here too. But the minister has some reservations as he cites a single condition that Turkey has long seen as vital: Greek Cyprus (yes Cyprus is "Greek") abiding by international law. This leads President Gul to believe that Turkey is closer to a deal with both. Now that the Mavi Marmara Apology is going as planned and the resolution of the political problems in Cyprus are back in the horizon.

We all know they talk first rate BS and popular opinion in Israel is not what these people think either.

April 10th, 2013 update: Tulin Daloğlu writes - After spending nearly a week in Israel, there is a sense of hurt feelings among Israelis from the Turkish leadership's verbal assaults. Moreover, Israelis emphasize that to them, the activists in the flotilla were not peaceful, and had vigorously attacked the Israeli commandos. There is intense suspicion about the intentions of the Turkish government, and many, in government and on the street, wonder whether they will ever be able to again trust Turkey.

from the original article by Dr. Pipes

Erdogan has a long wish list to take to Obama, so he is not only desperate, he is also needy.