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[claret21]

1. Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots, G/Cs, T/Cs and others.
2 Cyprus is an independent nation and neither Greek nor Turkish.
3. Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974, as per the UN, the EU and all International organizations/ nations.
4.The "trnc" was created by Turkey which occupies the northern parts of Cyprus.
5. Atrocities of almost equal ferocity were committed by both communities during the inter communal strife, the T/C community felt threatened and withdrew into enclaves.
6.All Cypriots are equal under the law of the land.
7.The Greek Cypriots were and still are the overwhelming numerical majority, while the T/Cs were numerically lesser hence a minority.
8.A united Cyprus should have no majorities or minorities if all Cypriots embraced their island as Cypriots first.
9.I consider both Turkey and Greece as being predominantly responsible for the division of Cyprus.
10.In a civilized world, ethnic majorities or minorities are irrelevant, what matters is that all are equal under the laws of each nation.

Some of my stated beliefs that VP and Lordo consider biased. What do you think ?

[ludo1981]

hello Claret21, your vision is quite clear. I agree 100%.
however, why are you so timid at a point you forgo to propose something new?

what about making the constitution of Cyprus Secular?
don't you thing it will be a major leverage in order to deflate the stupid minority argument ?

[claret21]

hello Claret21, your vision is quite clear. I agree 100%.
however, why are you so timid at a point you forgo to propose something new?

what about making the constitution of Cyprus Secular?
don't you thing it will be a major leverage in order to deflate the stupid minority argument ?

As an observer I can only state my opinions based on my own research, its not for me to propose "something new".
As for a secular state, this goes without saying, after all even Turkey adopted "secularism" during the great mans reign and the constitutional reforms of 1928.
Religion has no place in politics in all of European nations and most other advanced nations.
As I see the problem in Cyprus it is not religion but ideologies based along perceived ethnic lines, I feel that the Cypriot people, all of them, need to re assess their ideological tendencies and upgrade their "Cypriotism"
not suggesting for a moment that years long relationships with either Greece or Turkey should be abandoned.
There will always be G/Cs and T/Cs but the predominant adhesive would be their common motherland, the island of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

claret you say you have researched and reached your conclusions, you really need to address the following simple questions, are the 2 sides equal? are they weighted the same when trying to solve the Cyprus issue? can one side proceed without the other?

Once you have grapsed this very basic principle only the will you make any progress, remember you cannot ask one side to throw away their rights as given to them by international agreements, you have to persuade that party that whats being offerred is far better and then allow them to decide as we did with the AP.

[Lordo]

1. Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots, G/Cs, T/Cs and others.
2 Cyprus is an independent nation and neither Greek nor Turkish.
3. Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974, as per the UN, the EU and all International organizations/ nations.
4.The "trnc" was created by Turkey which occupies the northern parts of Cyprus.
5. Atrocities of almost equal ferocity were committed by both communities during the inter communal strife, the T/C community felt threatened and withdrew into enclaves.
6.All Cypriots are equal under the law of the land.
7.The Greek Cypriots were and still are the overwhelming numerical majority, while the T/Cs were numerically lesser hence a minority.
8.A united Cyprus should have no majorities or minorities if all Cypriots embraced their island as Cypriots first.
9.I consider both Turkey and Greece as being predominantly responsible for the division of Cyprus.
10.In a civilized world, ethnic majorities or minorities are irrelevant, what matters is that all are equal under the laws of each nation.

Some of my stated beliefs that VP and Lordo consider biased. What do you think ?

dont you flatter yourself my little sweet bird dropping. i have no opinion of you.

[claret21]

claret you say you have researched and reached your conclusions, you really need to address the following simple questions, are the 2 sides equal? are they weighted the same when trying to solve the Cyprus issue? can one side proceed without the other?

Once you have grapsed this very basic principle only the will you make any progress, remember you cannot ask one side to throw away their rights as given to them by international agreements, you have to persuade that party that whats being offerred is far better and then allow them to decide as we did with the AP.

The two sides are equal in law, numerically they are not. Proportional representation comes to mind.
The Zurich agreements offered a 70 - 30 % split, I think that would be still valid?

[Lordo]

claret you say you have researched and reached your conclusions, you really need to address the following simple questions, are the 2 sides equal? are they weighted the same when trying to solve the Cyprus issue? can one side proceed without the other?

Once you have grapsed this very basic principle only the will you make any progress, remember you cannot ask one side to throw away their rights as given to them by international agreements, you have to persuade that party that whats being offerred is far better and then allow them to decide as we did with the AP.

The two sides are equal in law, numerically they are not. Proportional representation comes to mind.
The Zurich agreements offered a 70 - 30 % split, I think that would be still valid?

you clearly are oblivious to the cyprus problem. you are unaware of the murataga dochni atlilar and sandallilar massacres. what is even more disturbing is that not one gc felt courages enought to mention it. be that as it may, clearly suggesting proportional representation shows how little you understand gcs.

we have two choices either two different states or bbf. there is no other protection from the gcs.

get it? i suspect not.

continue in your ignorance.

[claret21]

claret you say you have researched and reached your conclusions, you really need to address the following simple questions, are the 2 sides equal? are they weighted the same when trying to solve the Cyprus issue? can one side proceed without the other?

Once you have grapsed this very basic principle only the will you make any progress, remember you cannot ask one side to throw away their rights as given to them by international agreements, you have to persuade that party that whats being offerred is far better and then allow them to decide as we did with the AP.

The two sides are equal in law, numerically they are not. Proportional representation comes to mind.
The Zurich agreements offered a 70 - 30 % split, I think that would be still valid?

you clearly are oblivious to the cyprus problem. you are unaware of the murataga dochni atlilar and sandallilar massacres. what is even more disturbing is that not one gc felt courages enought to mention it. be that as it may, clearly suggesting proportional representation shows how little you understand gcs.

we have two choices either two different states or bbf. there is no other protection from the gcs.

get it? i suspect not.

continue in your ignorance.

You are a rude individual, well peasant, let me also be rude back.
Your ignorance, extremism is coming out loud and clear. Any reasonable human would have found each and every one of my posts totally unbiased and devoid of personal insults.
I intended to give much personal information about my self on reaching 100 posts where I would have made an exit from Cy Forum. Now, I have changed my mind and remain to challenge idiots such as you and your , or his sidekick.Get it thicko !!

[Viewpoint]

Ahh now we are getting somewhere you are a GC in disguise ashamed of revealing your identity.

[claret21]

Ahh now we are getting somewhere you are a GC in disguise ashamed of revealing your identity.

If you are so keen to learn about me, you are the only one incidentally on this forum to have the need to learn about me, please email me on my private email and I shall respond .
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