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[Viewpoint]

50% huh?...how come you got 100% of the punishment then?..and your explanation for this is?...

What punishment?

oh I don't know but a stab in the dark, you became nothing as a community...

PS...no offence but I don't think you have to the mental capacity to understand my response...

Hello we eat we breath we live, what do you do thats any different, boomer you were knocked off your high horse during the economical meltdown of the south, didnt they tell you things are gonna get much worse for you guys.

was I right or what?...

but to address your another bullshit spin, ever heard the expression cutting off the nose to spite the face?...it will cost the tcs in a number of fronts...
1...employment
2...medical
3...student freebies
4...tcs savings above 100k euros
5...strain on the kfc farm with all these unemployed workers
6...more delaying tactics by the roc till the gas comes out
7...the list can go on

in reality every Cypriot is/will get touched with the banking fiasco...nothing to gloat here sunshine...

No gloating just asking you to deal with you own shit and leave us alone.

[Viewpoint]

claret baby the fact that tcs had the veto shows that they are not a minority. they have 50% pawer and rightly so otherwise cyprus would have been two states.

when it comes to who has breached the constitution first may i remind some of the members who seem to suffer from short term memory that it was breeched by makarios when:
1. he armed the gc police without informing the tcs
2. he brought greek arms and 10,000 greek soldiers
3 he created an gc army of 5000 men

so please lets not pretend to be stupid.

Therefore Lordo, 18% does not constitute a minority, likewise the 2% of others such as Armenians were also not a minority !!!

Do they have a right to veto supported by international recognized agreements?

[Maximus]

The Zurich agreements set in place a constitution giving the minority T/Cs a 30% share of Parliamentary seats and to the G/C majority a 70% share. FACT.
The minority community was also given the right of veto. FACT.
The Zurich agreements did not increase the numerical numbers of the minority community but merely offered them the Veto in order that the majority could not enact any law that the minority would be at a disadvantage.
The FACT that the T/Cs were and still are the minority of Cypriot citizens is beyond question. Your constant inference that somehow the T/Cs would be reduced to a minority has no relevance since you can not reduce a lesser number making it a minority. The T/Cs were a minority measuring some 120,000 or 18% of the population, an irrevocable fact as per the British population census at the time of British rule.
Your equation of the Pakistanis in the UK, is flawed, since the UK has numerous minorities due to their numbers and not due to a decrease of their status by some parliamentary act.
The T/Cs, the indigenous to Cyprus, do not have to be a minority if they embraced Cyprus as their only true motherland.

Your thinking is flawed as you are thinking along the lines of individual rights not community rights as given to us by the 1960 agreements, the fact that we are less is numbers is what this problem is trying to be reduced to by the GCs in order to give them the upper handwhich is what we will always oppose. We have rights as a community which makes us an equal partner on this island, the fact that this partner is shorter does not make us any less a partner.

It makes you more of a partner (read master), a minority of 18% of the population which was also given a 30% share in the country's GDP.

Image, the majority, 82% of the population working, trying to progress and develop but forced to hand over 30% from the states coffers to the TC community. Essentially, under such a system, the TC's could live off of welfare and state benefits at the expense of the GC's, while vetoing them all over the place.

Its a recipe for disaster and Turkey has their back in case the GC's challenge the TC yoke. Is this Cypriot or European or what? Its tyranny.

[Viewpoint]

The Zurich agreements set in place a constitution giving the minority T/Cs a 30% share of Parliamentary seats and to the G/C majority a 70% share. FACT.
The minority community was also given the right of veto. FACT.
The Zurich agreements did not increase the numerical numbers of the minority community but merely offered them the Veto in order that the majority could not enact any law that the minority would be at a disadvantage.
The FACT that the T/Cs were and still are the minority of Cypriot citizens is beyond question. Your constant inference that somehow the T/Cs would be reduced to a minority has no relevance since you can not reduce a lesser number making it a minority. The T/Cs were a minority measuring some 120,000 or 18% of the population, an irrevocable fact as per the British population census at the time of British rule.
Your equation of the Pakistanis in the UK, is flawed, since the UK has numerous minorities due to their numbers and not due to a decrease of their status by some parliamentary act.
The T/Cs, the indigenous to Cyprus, do not have to be a minority if they embraced Cyprus as their only true motherland.

Your thinking is flawed as you are thinking along the lines of individual rights not community rights as given to us by the 1960 agreements, the fact that we are less is numbers is what this problem is trying to be reduced to by the GCs in order to give them the upper handwhich is what we will always oppose. We have rights as a community which makes us an equal partner on this island, the fact that this partner is shorter does not make us any less a partner.

It makes you more of a partner (read master), a minority of 18% of the population which was also given a 30% share in the country's GDP.

Image, the majority, 82% of the population working, trying to progress and develop but forced to hand over 30% from the states coffers to the TC community. Essentially, under such a system, the TC's could live off of welfare and state benefits at the expense of the GC's, while vetoing them all over the place.

Its a recipe for disaster and Turkey has their back in case the GC's challenge the TC yoke. Is this Cypriot or European or what? Its tyranny.

It has your signature on it.

[Maximus]

NO, it does not have my signature on it.

[DT.]

Seriously surreal to read TC's going on about a consitution that their own side is in breach of.

Only because you renegged and wanted Akritas.

You can't sit and discuss a theoretical breach of an agreement while you are practically breaching it today. And you sure as hell can't pick out clauses you are in agreement with in that agreement while breaching all the rest. SImple. Until Turkey has re-established the state of affairs created by the present Treaty. then the TC community have no rights in this Republic other than the ones the Government of Cyprus sees fit to grant.

[Viewpoint]

Seriously surreal to read TC's going on about a consitution that their own side is in breach of.

Only because you renegged and wanted Akritas.

You can't sit and discuss a theoretical breach of an agreement while you are practically breaching it today. And you sure as hell can't pick out clauses you are in agreement with in that agreement while breaching all the rest. SImple. Until Turkey has re-established the state of affairs created by the present Treaty. then the TC community have no rights in this Republic other than the ones the Government of Cyprus sees fit to grant.

Rubbish if that was the case you would have solved the problem yourself and not need us to conduct a referendum, get a grip we have rights you cannot erase them no matte rhow hard you try.

[Viewpoint]

NO, it does not have my signature on it.

Maybe not yours personally but it has your elected leaders signature on it which makes it valid, we all know its your ultimate goal to erase these rights in order to get the upper hand and control of the whole island, but you need to understand we will never all you to do this you have to compromise and that compromise between enosis and taksim is BBF with politcial equality of the 2 states.

[DT.]

Seriously surreal to read TC's going on about a consitution that their own side is in breach of.

Only because you renegged and wanted Akritas.

You can't sit and discuss a theoretical breach of an agreement while you are practically breaching it today. And you sure as hell can't pick out clauses you are in agreement with in that agreement while breaching all the rest. SImple. Until Turkey has re-established the state of affairs created by the present Treaty. then the TC community have no rights in this Republic other than the ones the Government of Cyprus sees fit to grant.

Rubbish if that was the case you would have solved the problem yourself and not need us to conduct a referendum, get a grip we have rights you cannot erase them no matte rhow hard you try.

The only reason we are discussing this with you is because of the playground rules Turkey has enacted. Land was taken by force, we need to discuss with the invader and occupier (or their designated proxy) what they require from us in order to hand back land that was taken by force. Since we cannot take the millitary option due to size this is our only alternative.

In the end we weigh up whether the price required to leave our land is too much to pay or not.

[Maximus]

NO, it does not have my signature on it.

Maybe not yours personally but it has your elected leaders signature on it which makes it valid, we all know its your ultimate goal to erase these rights in order to get the upper hand and control of the whole island, but you need to understand we will never all you to do this you have to compromise and that compromise between enosis and taksim is BBF with politcial equality of the 2 states.

it was marked through blackmail! It does not matter which way you dice it, its still tyranny and you are not righteous. Not even today.

Turkey invaded, ethnically cleansed the northern third of Cyprus, stole the property and business's of hundreds of thousands and has been planting settlers on the island ever since. Is there an agreement to go along with this, with anyone's signature on it? NO. Just breaches of many international agreements and peace treaty's.

Its sick, your sick VP.