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[kurupetos]

go on vp just do it once, it does not hurt honest.

needless to say what ever course cyprus takes will be decided by both communities. we have two choices bbf or separation i am afraid.

But we love different Cyprus's.....I love the Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus, his Cyprus being the south is foreign to me.

judging by the talks it looks like trnc will be one of the federal republics. it will be no different to now.

Republic or re-PUB-lic?

[repulsewarrior]

dude, the south as you call it is not my Cyprus, the north is not yours either, our Cyprus is a Republic which must reform its Constitution, and within it, for the sake of ourselves we can define our Liberty as well ( ; that is what the BBF is all about). what is foreign to you is the Cyprus that existed before you decided to move to it, it does not mean that Cypriots never existed, it means we were torn apart; but you don't recognise that, do you?

...if i understand correctly, you were born and raised in England, how is it the south of Cyprus is foreign to you, in Britain, because you are not "white", as a Brit, are you a foreigner?

i have always appreciated your willingness to debate the issues, and i have learned a lot from you. but it is time, i think, for both sides of the divide to reconsider what is best because the debate, as it is framed, only supports the deep state's corruption that lies within each Constituency, to divide us against our Freedom. you must reconsider too, "Greeks" exist, but so too Greeks. Greeks and Turks are no different ("Greeks" and "Turks" are no different either), Cypriots are decent and civil people who have suffered from this Ignorance too long. if there is an "us" and "them", this is it.

...the island is ours, it is not "Turkish" or "Greek", Cyprus is Cypriot first; say it because you are Cypriot, say it because the leadership we have, have failed. say it and expose those who mean to exploit what harm they have produced by dividing us as enemies. say it because it is the right thing, as a Human Being and make it clear: the madness, as it is, must stop. say it, because what counts, the bottom line, our wallets and our pockets, are filled if we reject what is an artificial divide so that "Greeks" cannot profit from Greeks and Turks, so that "Turks" can profit from Turks.

...say it vp, i love Cyprus, i want it to be Free, and i want my Liberty. i am no "Turk", i am proud to be Turkish, i love Cyprus first.

@ Lordo, thanks for the support.

[Viewpoint]

repulse you may be rigth that not having lived in the south I have no real conneciton with it and when I do visit the language difference maked it feels very foreign but this does not detract from the reality of today division, we are physically divided and will remain so until a time that the degree of benefits for both sides are aligned. Its these benefits which are not attractive enough, you demand I accept Cypriotism to not feel like a minority in my own country, this is nothing more than hype to get what you want which is total control of the whole island using your numerical advantage, What you want which a nation banding together can only happen afte rmany years of goodwill, cooperation and prosperity. Without interims periods of time that will allow for this adjustment the Cyprus problem will remain unresolved as is the case today.

As far as I can gather from your posts you to like me support a BBF with a political equality balance of the states, its not the TCs you have to persuade but the GCs has we have already officially stated our acceptence by saying YES to such a plan, it was the GCs that said NO, so really you have to direct your posts at them not us.

I also want to put the following question to you about administration of equal rights among Cypriots, what if the majority being GCs treat TCs has second class citizens? what if we are discriminated against? and treated the way you treat the Sri Lankens Pakisatnis or Philipinos in the south today?

[repulsewarrior]

...it is very much like the question of the chicken and the egg, which came first?

Freedom, its cost, demands that we live together. Liberty is the desire to live your "way". they are two different things. I accept that i am Greek, and that i enjoy its qualities to enrich my life. sustaining this identity is important to me (that is why i believe Constituencies are important), and as a Human Being i wish to demonstrate my commitment to Universal Principals too (without these bias). we want a State as Cypriots free of the idea that Cyprus is subject to Proxy Wars of other States, and we, as a People, want to live as Nations within this Federation of Individuals.

...think of it this way, vp. do you want a dream as i do or not? the island Free of any discrimination is possible, if anything, i think you are fighting for a 'Plan B' or 'Plan C' (with partition), and in that regard missing the point. even Lordo, (although i don't mean to be insulting, who is your equal in having grave mistrust of "Greeks"), can see my point. he does not hesitate to say should i ask, again and again, that he loves Cyprus. and that he loves Cyprus first. paradoxical, no, it is that he sees what is, and is really good at fitting in if you will, as long as things stay the same (as a debate). but, he has a dream, like mine, and like yours (i hope), honest enough to say it out loud, when not being labelled (or labelling) an adversary; it is all i am asking of you.

your question to me is mute, vp. in my Cyprus, you can live anywhere you want. and in that choosing as an Elector of a National Assembly you would be sustaining an Identity of the Constituency, whether as a Minority or not (it is your choice). i sincerely doubt that the voices of even "Greeks" (or "Turks) under the circumstances would be hate filled, and a natural expression of the Communities, the relationship being reciprocal.

the bonding is now, dear fellow. say, i know the difference between a Greek and a "Greek", i am no "Turk", and i am proud as a Turk, Greeks are as proud, because, for us, Cyprus comes first.

...the Cypriot flag higher, an end in your own speech of (read: as) "Greeks"/"Turks", an awareness that neither regime is suitable at the moment, the State, our Republic is in Peril, and until there are Cypriot Constituencies (ie. more than one) we remain at this impasse where as Cypriots we loose everything. demonstrate your understanding that Cyprus really does come first, and the rest will fall into place; will you join with me?

[Viewpoint]

repulse we seem to banging our heads against a brick wall with you, what part of I support just like you BBF with political equality dont you understand? Its the GCs that oppose your ideology not the TCs, so you need to preach to them not us.

Why do you want to force me to live in your state? to use a vote that has not effect, how will i get my voice heard when the representative I vote will never get elected and the representative that works against me is easily elected by the majority who happen to be GCs? Why do you want to place me in danger?

You should use your post to debate with GCs who oppose you and a BBF.