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[repulsewarrior]

...what is becoming clear to me is that the effort Turkey has placed in her external affairs for fifty years, culminated with the Annan Plan, and it failed. the notion of "Turks" and "Greeks" is over, Cyprus this time has a chance to express Cypriotness, a notion that Cyprus is equal to Turkey, and that its People have the Liberty, through territorial jurisdictions for National Assemblies to sustain and promote their distinctions too. Turkey it could happen, would reform, so that Liberty is defined, as in other Free Countries, Bizonal and/or Bicommunal, for their Citizens Rights as Individuals without discrimination or distinction, and for their Identities as Persons as well.

[repulsewarrior]

...Cyprus needs a perfect government if you will. it must serve its Citizens, without any discrimination or distinction, all are equals. it must be able to express and demonstrate the will of this People toward Universal Principals having the aim to better them. and yet this expression of an Identity is not enough because we are Individuals, but not only, as Persons we seek Self-Representation as well. Bicommunal is not new, and such a course in Cyprus serves a very complex ethnography, it is up to the Greeks, indeed, they are the overwhelming majority, to decide what course Cyprus shall take, (realising the benefits of this form of Representaion) and representing themselves internally through a Constituency, (realising that this) does not prevent them, as Cypriots, their voice within a greater whole.

the debate is flawed, it serves the interests of the Nationalists amongst us who would foresake anything else, other than their own Community interests. this vision is better served within their respective Communities, if in the infrastructure they provide, it accomodates accordingly the minorities living amongst them. The State, on the other hand, should neither be Greek or Turkish, it is Cypriot.

you want peace...

...where is the Greek Constituency?

[Get Real!]

...where is the Greek Constituency?

Try the Acropolis.

[repulsewarrior]

...if "you" give up Turkey as your sole benefactor vp, you gain the support of the rest of the world. Freedom, for Cyprus, is Mankind's gift to the People with a Cypriot Identity, it is not the "Greeks" who are offering you this Liberty to be Turkic, but, Greeks who as this island's dwellers represent the vast majority of this body Politic. it would be nice in the least as a Cypriot, if you recognised that the island is not Turkish nor Greek, although as Persons we strive to sustain these identities (Lordo at least, is able to do this). ...what better Guarantee is there but to define Bizonal Bicommunal Federation in a manner where as Individuals, this body of People represent themselves United in defending Universal Principals (as Humans). and that being Bicommunal they, as well, represent themselves as electors in National Assemblies (within Jurisdictional Territories being Bizonal) so that as a Majority they can sustain within their daily lives this distinct identity, even closer to their taxdollars. you cannot prevent Greeks Cypriots, just because they are Greeks from choosing to reside in Cyprus as Turcophones under these terms (a "Turk" would think that, (rather than a Turk)), nor can we prevent the mobility that the Modern Age has offered, on this i think we agree. Cyprus is not Property, beyond the feelings Turkey displays about the Treaty of Lausanne, or its Continental Shelf, it is about defining this distinction: that a People, Cypriots, have as their Heritance a land far more rooted than what has been a proxy war between subjugators.

...question of ethnic origin, no; question of attitude. we are closer than we think, i believe.

@GR, then we, the people of the world, are all Hellenes. but more to the point, being Cypriot, must you be "Greek"? is that the antithesis to define "Minorities"? seriously is a Greek criminal somehow better than any other criminal, because they are "Greek"? do you choose to be Greek, then what is wrong with a Greek Constituency, why not this Liberty to other Constituencies, do you deny this Heritance? if it is within a Sovereign Republic to choose a Government that represent this State as Individuals, with our Freedom what are the Liberties, other than these, to propose?

[Viewpoint]

repulse do you how what you have said in the above posts makes us feel?

it is up to the Greeks, indeed, they are the overwhelming majority, to decide what course Cyprus shall take"

[repulsewarrior]

indeed vp, what ever was, was. and what is, is. you have the opportunity to be an equal, as a Constituency, this is already a big compromise, if numbers count.

...but first, join me, say, i love Cyprus, i am proud to be a Turk, i am no "Turk", i love Cyprus first.

what is needed is Cypriot Constituencies, where is a Greek Constituencies in this context? ...don't you think?

[Lordo]

go on vp just do it once, it does not hurt honest.

needless to say what ever course cyprus takes will be decided by both communities. we have two choices bbf or separation i am afraid.

[Viewpoint]

go on vp just do it once, it does not hurt honest.

needless to say what ever course cyprus takes will be decided by both communities. we have two choices bbf or separation i am afraid.

But we love different Cyprus's.....I love the Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus, his Cyprus being the south is foreign to me.

[Viewpoint]

indeed vp, what ever was, was. and what is, is. you have the opportunity to be an equal, as a Constituency, this is already a big compromise, if numbers count.

...but first, join me, say, i love Cyprus, i am proud to be a Turk, i am no "Turk", i love Cyprus first.

what is needed is Cypriot Constituencies, where is a Greek Constituencies in this context? ...don't you think?

What about us?(the TCs) if you (the GCs) think that; it is up to the Greeks, indeed, they are the overwhelming majority, to decide what course Cyprus shall take"

[Lordo]

go on vp just do it once, it does not hurt honest.

needless to say what ever course cyprus takes will be decided by both communities. we have two choices bbf or separation i am afraid.

But we love different Cyprus's.....I love the Turkish republic of Northern Cyprus, his Cyprus being the south is foreign to me.

judging by the talks it looks like trnc will be one of the federal republics. it will be no different to now.