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[Simon]

I'm not talking about Greece or Golden Dawn. I'm talking about your implication that UKIP are far right and Nazis. This is nonsense and is baseless.

The start up ideology for UKIP was euro-skepticism and defending the pound in the mid-nineties, when major politicians in the UK were suggesting Britain should adopt the euro. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. UKIP have certain policies on immigration and regaining control over borders, and according to you this means that must have stemmed from Nazis? You come across as a bit simple I must say. Parties like the BNP are clearly racist. Maybe Golden Dawn are too, but like I said, I don't know much about them. BNP only recently agreed to change their constitution to allow non-White people into the party because they were effectively forced to do so. UKIP have never been about that.

If Golden Dawn stand up for the Greek people, then great. You won't find me arguing against that. No double standards here. If they are violent racists, then they should not get any support.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Personally, I do not think they are Nazis even though they are bound to attract a few nutters and that goes the same for Golden Dawn. Both parties could do a lot of good in protest positions. If UKIP are good for UK politics, GD should be the same for Greek politics (and I do care). Their policies on immigration sound similar to those of GD but UKIP downplay the anti-immigration extremism that could be criticised by the media and concentrate on the anti-EU feeling which is big at the moment. But UKIP are just the new and improved versions of BNP, NF, EDL, IMHO. They are from the same mould - but Farage has shaped them up well. GD could do with a few lessons from them, that's all I'm saying; because UKIP are succeeding in having a positive image where GD are failing. It might make me sound simple, Simon, but that's my opinion formulated over years of listening to their rhetoric and speaking to some of their sympathisers.

[cyprusgrump]

UKIP is of course not a 'far right' party nor are they racist.

Sure, you might trawl through all their members and find some with extreme views - but that would be the same for members of any party put under close scrutiny.

In fact they specifically exclude racists from membership: -

Membership is not available to anyone who is or has previously been a member of the British National Party, National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party. Any applications made from people who are or have been members of these organisations will be refused, and any subscriptions collected will be refunded.
By applying for membership you certify that you are not and have never been a member of either of these parties.

Nor are UKIP anti-Europe. They want to be a trading partner with Europe - not controlled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

Nor are UKIP anti-immigration. They oppose uncontrolled immigration quite rightly.

BTW Nigel is married to a German and his children are being brought up bi-lingual... Hardly the actions of an anti-European racist eh?

[CBBB]

UKIP is of course not a 'far right' party nor are they racist.

Sure, you might trawl through all their members and find some with extreme views - but that would be the same for members of any party put under close scrutiny.

In fact they specifically exclude racists from membership: -

Membership is not available to anyone who is or has previously been a member of the British National Party, National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party. Any applications made from people who are or have been members of these organisations will be refused, and any subscriptions collected will be refunded.
By applying for membership you certify that you are not and have never been a member of either of these parties.

Nor are UKIP anti-Europe. They want to be a trading partner with Europe - not controlled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

Nor are UKIP anti-immigration. They oppose uncontrolled immigration quite rightly.

BTW Nigel is married to a German and his children are being brought up bi-lingual... Hardly the actions of an anti-European racist eh?

...and GIG is married to a Brit!

[cyprusgrump]

UKIP is of course not a 'far right' party nor are they racist.

Sure, you might trawl through all their members and find some with extreme views - but that would be the same for members of any party put under close scrutiny.

In fact they specifically exclude racists from membership: -

Membership is not available to anyone who is or has previously been a member of the British National Party, National Front, British Freedom Party, British People's Party, English Defence League, Britain First or the UK First Party. Any applications made from people who are or have been members of these organisations will be refused, and any subscriptions collected will be refunded.
By applying for membership you certify that you are not and have never been a member of either of these parties.

Nor are UKIP anti-Europe. They want to be a trading partner with Europe - not controlled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

Nor are UKIP anti-immigration. They oppose uncontrolled immigration quite rightly.

BTW Nigel is married to a German and his children are being brought up bi-lingual... Hardly the actions of an anti-European racist eh?

...and GIG is married to a Brit!

My case rests...

[supporttheunderdog]

Personally, I do not think they are Nazis even though they are bound to attract a few nutters and that goes the same for Golden Dawn. Both parties could do a lot of good in protest positions. If UKIP are good for UK politics, GD should be the same for Greek politics (and I do care). Their policies on immigration sound similar to those of GD but UKIP downplay the anti-immigration extremism that could be criticised by the media and concentrate on the anti-EU feeling which is big at the moment. But UKIP are just the new and improved versions of BNP, NF, EDL, IMHO. They are from the same mould - but Farage has shaped them up well. GD could do with a few lessons from them, that's all I'm saying; because UKIP are succeeding in having a positive image where GD are failing. It might make me sound simple, Simon, but that's my opinion formulated over years of listening to their rhetoric and speaking to some of their sympathisers.

The avowed Hitler worship of the GD founder cannot be avoided
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)#Allegations_of_Nazism

I just wonder if the modern Greek Golden Shower are aware of aBritish 19th century occult society called Golden Dawn

http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.unholyalliance.toc.htm

[Paphitis]

UKIP are the polished act whilst Golden Dawn are the start-up kit.

I particularly love this part ...

Then all the idiots who want to continue silencing the British people who have had enough will attempt to label these people "Nazis", "far right" " extreme" "racist" etc etc. Well this bollocks "racist" card is wearing a little thin for most people.

Let's just change one word:

Then all the idiots who want to continue silencing the Greek people who have had enough will attempt to label these people "Nazis", "far right" " extreme" "racist" etc etc. Well this bollocks "racist" card is wearing a little thin for most people.

Let this be the mantra for Golden Dawn - the sister of UKIP.

You are completely wrong!

No one wants to silence the Greek people. Much of Golden Dawn's supporter base has voted for Golden Dawn out of innocence or ignorance. I wouldn't call them NAZI supporters but just a little misguided perhaps or immensely frustrated at Greece's demise.

In fact, far right political movements such as Golden Dawn exploit the discontent of people and manipulate it to serve their agenda and as a sweetener they introduce populist ideals to sure up their votes. This situation can only be temporary.

Golden Dawn however, or at least their hardcore office bearers, do portray far right tendencies. They do feed on hatred and racism.

UKIP on the other hand is centrist/center right and have a reasonable euro skeptical platform. They are an offshoot of the conservatives. UKIP is quite a reasonable political movement with good politicians which are trying to address the EU totalitarianism and serve British interests. Their agenda and platform has inevitably led them to be the biggest supporters in the fight to preserve the dignity of Greece and Cyprus in particular, as well as Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland. Nigel Farage let's them have it. Yes it is rhetoric but definitely NOT far right!

He has spoken up in support of Greece and Cyprus quite a lot. The guy should be given the keys to Athens and Nicosia as far as I'm concerned.

[Paphitis]

Don't backtrack, Simon.

... I also understand that they started life as a neo-Nazi party - .

Looks like the start-up ideology for UKIP were the British National Party, English Defence League, National Front etc etc etc (very Nazi, huh) --- But the Genius Farage did away with the negative symbols. The policies are the same - just the uniforms have been replaced by pin-strip suits and ties and a BIG SMILE!

Farage is simply adorable. The crinkly face of Nationalism.

To be honest, I think his nationalism and love for Britain is adorable and it is the right kind of nationalism which is probably better described as patriotism. He appears naturally concerned about the direction the EU is taking and I do not blame him. Britain is correct to be euro skeptical.

He is the type of politician Cyprus urgently needs! Maybe the RoC can grant him honorary citizenship!

seeyas later...

[GreekIslandGirl]

UKIP is of course not a 'far right' party

Thus demonstrating how many he fools. Farage is an ace politician - GD need lessons from this man.

Ukip shares more with the far right than it admits.

Our research shows that despite its denials, Ukip's policies and support base have significant similarities with those of the BNP

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -right-bnp

Like the BNP, at the last general election Ukip demanded an end to uncontrolled immigration, tighter border controls, the expulsion of illegal immigrants, the removal of benefits for remaining immigrants and an "end the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies". This radical right pitch to voters included an end to political correctness and a ban on the burqa, and led Ukip to invite Geert Wilders to show an anti-Islam documentary in the House of Lords.

[GreekIslandGirl]

BTW Nigel is married to a German and his children are being brought up bi-lingual... Hardly the actions of an anti-European racist eh?

Good you brought that up - demonstrates Farage's attention to detail! He has thought of everything. But aren't Germans the same as the English - like, Germans are ultra-pure English, the original stock so to speak. Certainly the language is similar .... if not the far-right politics of the founding father.

And of course he's not "anti-European" - he draws a fat MEP's salary and apparently he's not shy about coming forward for his fat expenses. Even managed to put a positive spin on how huge his expenses budget is by saying he's just showing us how easy it is to get the money ...

An all-round excellent politician. Respect ...