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[claret21]

Trying to do some research into the number of victims during the inter-communal fighting starting from 1958 and ending January 1974.
If anyone has some credible links I would be grateful, no propaganda please just actual figures supported by links.
Of course I know that there were victims from both sides of the divide, but how many its what I want to research, and numbers of G/Cs /TCs killed.

[Get Real!]

About 250 p/side. I’ve got credible links for pretty much everything but I can’t be bothered finding them right now and I took down my website.

[Lordo]

About 250 p/side. I’ve got credible links for pretty much everything but I can’t be bothered finding them right now and I took down my website.

more like 500 for each side.

to call you a human is an insult to humanity. you site was nothing more than the latest eoka crap no good to man or beast.

no here is a site claret can start with. I shall find you other sites where you will find more information.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/war.html

http://www.makarios.eu/cgibin/hweb?-V=e ... ANGUAGE=en

now the second link is a greek cypriot but a true cypriot. he says it how it was. if you read his three books you will have all the information you need.

another person is Sevgul Uludag - she also say it how she is. She has written books and lots of articles about the past. here is a link to her too.

http://www.sevgululudag.blogspot.co.uk/ ... wells.html

[Get Real!]

more like 500 for each side.

Your website “Embargoed” or whatever it’s called these days, used to have a list of all TCs with names & pictures that had died, gone missing, etc, and they amounted to about 180.

[Lordo]

here is another site.
http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Patrick-chp%203.html

[boulio]

Seems like inter communal strife call it a civil war not genocide as the turkish thesis.

[claret21]

Having studied the links provided, and also some comments made, as well as an in-depth study into Cypriot history, I came to the following conclusion.
1.The inter communal conflict produced an almost similar number of deaths.
2.The G/Cs being the overwhelming majority considered Cyprus to be "Greek" claiming that the minority T/Cs were introduced into Cyprus some 400 years ago as a result of the conquest of the island by the Ottoman empire and therefore as a minority they had no right to determine the destiny of Cyprus.
3.The general and financial infrastructure of the island was predominantly administered and run by the G/Cs, some of whom considered the T/Cs as second class citizens.
4.The T/Cs were not involved in the struggle to liberate the island from the British and in fact the British used the T/Cs as an auxiliary force in order to assist them in fighting what the British referred to as "terrorism".
5. There was not a concerted effort by the G/Cs to annihilate the T/Cs although some had this as a solution for Cyprus.
6.According to Uludags's book, both sides committed hideous crimes against each other, and that the Cypriots, both G/Cs and T/Cs had lived side by side for hundreds of years in relative peace interacting with other on a daily basis.
7.There were no victims due to inter communal fighting from January 1974 to July 1974, therefore Turkeys "intervention, invasion " was not to put an end to an ongoing massacre against the T/Cs but to prevent the "coupists" from achieving their perceived aim which was Enosis with their perceived "motherland, Greece.
8.Turkey having been given the right to intervene either collectively, with Britain and Greece, or unilaterally,to restore order, did so in July 1974. 39 years later Turkish troops remain in Cyprus,therefore the intervention was the execution of a Turkish plan to divide the island and bring about their stated aim of Taksim, which can only be what the international community declare as an invasion and an occupation, hence why not one single nation on earth has thus far recognised the Turkish creation of the TRNC." The Turkish invasion of Cyprus,[15] launched on 20 July 1974, was a Turkish military invasion in response to a Greek military junta backed coup in Cyprus. It is known in Turkey as the "Cyprus Peace Operation" (Turkish: Kıbrıs Barış Harekâtı), "Cyprus Operation" (Kıbrıs Harekâtı) or by its Turkish Armed Forces code name Operation Atilla (Atilla Harekâtı)."
9. I have always taken an intense interest in Cyprus and always believed that both the G/Cs and T/Cs could live together in peace and safety, had it not been for their close relationship with two foreign countries considered respectively by both to be their "motherlands"
10.If Cypriots embraced their own nation, the island of Cyprus, they could reunite as one people, the Cypriots, without necessarily abandoning their relationship with either Turkey or Greece.
These are the nations, Greece and Turkey that have caused the division of the island with a little help from Britain.

[B25]

These are the nations, Greece and Turkey that have caused the division of the island with a little help from Britain.

This sentence is incomplete. Greece with the aid of the US CIA and at an instant in time (the Junta time) was partly the cause. Turkey, with the support of the US and the UK (a lot of support from the UK) and was always wanting Cyprus back even until todays date is the major cause of the Cyprus problem.
The GC's of the 50s/60s allowed themselves to be manipulated by the US/Junta and thus assisted in the invasion that followed.

Turkey came to partition Cyprus full stop and the conditions were created that gave her this pretext. According to the Turkish foreign minister Davitoglu, Turkey was going to be in Cyprus even if there were no Moslems, his words not mine.

We have no solution today because the mentality of the Turk is that of the 1500's, Pasha's (Turks) and slaves (Greeks) and they have no respect of any laws of any kind.

[claret21]

Good morning all and Happy Easter.
So as to bring this thread to a conclusion, I reiterate what I posted in my brief summary earlier, taking into account an in depth research into the history and events in Cyprus from 1958 to January 1974.
There was never a concerted effort by any side to annihilate the other, horrid acts were perpetrated on both sides, Sevcul Uludug's book oysters with the missing pearls gives the reader a much better understanding of events that occured in the period stated above.
"Uludag’s first stories about the missing were published in 2002, in Yeniduzen and Alithia newspapers, based on accounts of the first five people who had agreed to talk to her. This enraged the Turkish Cypriot government.
“Politicians were upset with me. They went on radio and TV and criticized me for opening old wounds. I got a lot of death threats from the killers who didn’t want the graves to be opened…They feared there might be some prosecutions against them.” In April 2003, the daily newspaper Volkan, the mouthpiece of the Turkish nationalist movement, called upon gangs of goons to silence her – “to cut out her tongue.”
"About 500 Turkish Cypriots went missing from 1963 to 1974, and about 1,500 Greek Cypriots were missing after 1974. “It was a big shock for the Greek Cypriots to find out that Turkish Cypriots were missing. They had thought that only Greek Cypriots were missing…For Turkish Cypriots, it was a big shock, too, to find out that so many Greek Cypriots suffered and that the violence came from Turkish Cypriots as well,” she said. The secrecy had fueled paranoia and mistruths"
Turkeys invasion, a preplanned operation to divide the island based on the Attila Plan, had nothing what so ever to do with putting an end to an ongoing massacre as Turkey claims.

[Viewpoint]

And claret? the end result being?