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[claret21]

And claret? the end result being?

An almost equal number of casualties throughout the inter communal strife.
No massacre of any sort was ongoing or took place prior to the Turkish invasion.
Turkey invaded the island in order to put an end to what many thought was the beginning of Enosis with Greece but predominantly to set into motion and ferociously execute her long standing Attila plan, to divide the island and bring about partition.
Her actions since the invasion are indicative of the crystal clear fact that having achieved her aim she would not be interested in any sort of unification, supported the AP because it legalized beyond doubt the invasion of 1974.
The international community have rejected efforts to recognize the pseudo state, amongst them, the entire Islamic world.
Even nations that expressed an offer of military assistance in 1974, namely Pakistan and Bangladesh, have thus far declined to offer recognition.
The "TRNC" will self destruct in time, the vast majority of its citizens are not Cypriots but imports from mainly Anatolia.
Also, a vast number of T/Cs have left for a better life overseas.
Corruption, indignant disrespect of internationally accepted legalities, inability to appreciate the enormous financial benefits gained from British and other investors, are also indicative of how this creation is doomed to fail, in time.

[Viewpoint]

And claret in order to provide us with some sort of unbiased balance can we have what you have to say about the GC sides errors starting with enosis and moving onto the current day economical mayhem in the south.

[claret21]

And claret in order to provide us with some sort of unbiased balance can we have what you have to say about the GC sides errors starting with enosis and moving onto the current day economical mayhem in the south.

Most certainly.
The struggle against British rule was justified totally. Every nation in the world has a right to be its own master. Britain ruled more than 35 countries world wide. Britain did so solely because every super power historically starting from the Roman Empire, Ottoman empire, the Spanish empire, all did so because it served their own interests.
An extension of a state's sovereignty over another takes place purely because of economic, or strategic reasons.
The G/Cs were the overwhelming majority, coupled with the fact that they viewed the T/C minority as " remnants" of a passed
ruler, unable to comprehend any other focus than Enosis with Greece whom they perceived as their motherland.
In my view, the goal of Enosis was not only wrong but catastrophic. The focus should have been on a free and independent Cyprus that would embrace all of its citizens treating all as equal.
As for the current economic fiasco, the blame lies squarely with the G/Cs, not Troika, Europe, the USA or anyone else. Their doing 100%. By they, I mean the ruling class, the bankers, politicians, business men, fired on by an insatiable and greedy appetite for wealth, ignoring very basic principles of proper financial management controls, In their quest to amass fortunes beyond their wildest dreams. A small boat in rough seas loaded with tons of gold will, sooner or later when the sea gets rough capsize. Precisely what happened to Cyprus. Their exposure to the Greek junk bonds and loans was the major reason of the collapse.
Cyprus will recover, and hopefully it has learned a bitter lesson.
It is one of the most expensive destinations for tourists, why? Wages and salaries are quite low for the masses yet prices are sky high.
On a recent visit, mentioned earlier, a British journalist friend and I had two espresso coffees each and A small bottle of water each at a beach bar. 19.80 euros was disgraceful, you can pay less on the pavement cafes of Paris Champs-Elysées.
They have to get their act together, concentrate on Cyprus's natural wealth, the weather, scenery, people, they can not compete in the "money laundering " markets or high level and sophisticated international financial markets.
Even an airline such as Cyprus Airways, that incidentally charges twice as much as lets say Easyjet, can not survive with out government handouts.Mismanaged just like the entire financial industry that caused savers to have their savings STOLEN, ROBBED, TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM BY FORCE!

[Get Real!]

The struggle against British rule was justified totally. Every nation in the world has a right to be its own master.

No, it was a political disaster because the Cypriot leaders at the time failed to take into consideration this significant global event that was coming…

http://untreaty.un.org/cod/avl/ha/dicc/dicc.html

…which would grant Cyprus 100% liberation without any bloodshed and with no need for any British bases!

All those who died during 1955..1959 died for nothing unfortunately, because the Cypriot leadership should’ve known better and awaited this event instead of the mess they created.

Once again we can thank Greece for completely derailing what would've been a peaceful and wholesome independence.

[repulsewarrior]

...thanks for the link GR.

...just to add to the conversation, the issue remains in stagnation because the Communal Chamber could never be opened because no Greek members were ever present. a Bicommunal identity was foresaken by the "Greeks" and "Turks", who unlike Kutchuk, or Makarios, had the intention to divide the island, if it was not possible for either to have it all. Cypriots whether they are Greek or Turkish, and Cyprus are to this day ignored, where is the Greek Constituency i ask, an equal to the Turkish Constituency, if there exists a Republic?

[claret21]

The struggle against British rule was justified totally. Every nation in the world has a right to be its own master.

No, it was a political disaster because the Cypriot leaders at the time failed to take into consideration this significant global event that was coming…

http://untreaty.un.org/cod/avl/ha/dicc/dicc.html

…which would grant Cyprus 100% liberation without any bloodshed and with no need for any British bases!

All those who died during 1955..1959 died for nothing unfortunately, because the Cypriot leadership should’ve known better and awaited this event instead of the mess they created.

Once again we can thank Greece for completely derailing what would've been a peaceful and wholesome independence.

With hindsight I would agree, Do take into account that the struggle of the Cypriot people started in 1955 following the statement by Sir Andrew Wright in 1953 in response to a letter by Archbishop Makarios urging the then Governor of Cyprus to respect the wishes of the people as expressed unanimously in the referendum of 1950, also referring to the UN proclamation of 1952 endorsing the right of nations to self determination.
The answer received was categorical and emphatic in that HM government does not consider any changes regarding Cyprus and that the matter is closed.The Archbishop appealed to the UN on August 10th 1953 to have the matter of Cyprus discussed at a general assembly. Since this procedure requires at least one member state to sponsor, and "motherland" Greece refused to do so.
On the 28th July 1954, in a debate on Cyprus in the Houses of Parliament, the answer was once again given by the then Minister of Colonies, Atkinson, that " Cyprus as an important strategic base for Britain would NEVER be given independence.
The need for other means to achieve independence from Britain became more acute.
The struggle was right, the goal was wrong.

[repulsewarrior]

...well said claret.

[claret21]

...well said claret.

You have my respect sir.

[Lordo]

Claret you need to find the Aphrodite Plans one, two and three. You will then find plans they had to wipe all the tcs in 45 minutes. you have missed the real intentions of the gc leadership. maniacs hell bent on enosis even at the cost of destroying cyprus.

the same maniacs are still in control today and have destroyed cyprus by buying worthless greek bonds whilst everybody else was selling them. blind racism nothing less.

[Viewpoint]

claret you quite rightly said

In my view, the goal of Enosis was not only wrong but catastrophic. The focus should have been on a free and independent Cyprus that would embrace all of its citizens treating all as equal.

Add to this that the above goal was only a camouflage for their ultimate goal which was unquestionably enosis which for us meant our signed death warrant...thats why we had to fight back and did, without enosis taksim would never have been adopted by the TCs.

Now do you understand where we come from when we try to defend ourselves against the same ideology which wants to reduce us to minority status in our own country.