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[Piratis]

i dont know who this charalambous is, but his questions appear really stupid. but i guess when u r a laywer u care only about winning- that is your job at the end of the day, and in order to achieve that one could use any means possible.

Thats right. I guess bg_turk has never seen any trials. Being provocative and similar methods are used by some lawyers all over the world. In courts lawyers are not always polite. Or maybe Arif and his lawyer were accusing politely the defendant??

The turks are the real racists, and the greeks fake ones I suppose. Even the mere fact that you attribute the quality of being a real racist to one group just because of their ethnicity, is intrinsically racist.

I am talking about the Turkish government and the Turkish Cypriot leadership. It is obvious that they are racists. I come to this conclusion not because of their race but because of their racist actions.

Not all Turks or Turkish Cypriots are like that, Birkibrisli is one example. However I am afraid that the brainwashing that has been done in the occupied areas for decades has made most Turkish Cypriots not realizing that it is racist to demand that some people should be kept away from their own homes because of their race.

[bg_turk]

i dont know who this charalambous is, but his questions appear really stupid. but i guess when u r a laywer u care only about winning- that is your job at the end of the day, and in order to achieve that one could use any means possible.

Thats right. I guess bg_turk has never seen any trials. Being provocative and similar methods are used by some lawyers all over the world. In courts lawyers are not always polite. Or maybe Arif and his lawyer were accusing politely the defendant??

No, I have never seen any trial where the judge tolerates such racist remarks, never ever, not in Bulgaria, not in any other country I have been to.

I am talking about the Turkish government and the Turkish Cypriot leadership. It is obvious that they are racists. I come to this conclusion not because of their race but because of their racist actions.

And what is your goverment then? Turkey is a real racist because it prevents GCs from returning their homes, and your government which prevents TCs from returning is a fake racist I guess.

[bg_turk]

i dont know who this charalambous is, but his questions appear really stupid. but i guess when u r a laywer u care only about winning- that is your job at the end of the day, and in order to achieve that one could use any means possible.

And it is the job of the judge to prevent the lawyers from becoming to extreme and hurling racial abuse at the persecutors. What was the judge doing?

[Piratis]

No, I have never seen any trial where the judge tolerates such racist remarks, never ever, not in Bulgaria, not in any other country I have been to.

What racist remark? You have the "Turk" in your own nickname. Calling you a Turk would be a racist remark?
As I said the lawyer said things in a provocative way, but there was no racist remark. A racist remark would be of the type: All Turks are [something bad]. No such thing have been made.

And what is your goverment then? Turkey is a real racist because it prevents GCs from returning their homes, and your government which prevents TCs from returning is a fake racist I guess.

Who prevents people are the racists who insist on the racist separation of Cypriots. These racist are the Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot leadership.

Our government is simply trying to cope with the occupation and how to fit the 82% (+ the Turkish Cypriots that want to live in the free areas) of the population in just the 63% of the ground. Obviously now that we are forced to live in less land we all have a smaller share. The Turkish Cypriots also pay part of the price of the illegal occupation. What you want is that the cost of the Turkish occupation is paid exclusively by Greek Cypriots!

What do you support? The separation of people based on their race, or the respect of human rights, including the right to return to their own homes, for all Cypriots?

Are you also a partitionist = racist?

[BirKibrisli]

Softliner,

I was just wondering if,having read the posts in this thread,you have decided to change your name to Hardliner?
Or perhaps you have decided to change your topic of study altogether?
Tell us honestly,what do you think is the cause of the Cyprus problem after reading this thread? Do you think there will ever be a peaceful solution,or will we carry on till the last drop of our blood?
An objective opinion will always be welcome.

[cypezokyli]

hey birkibrisli,
i think for softliner, the discussions would just be a live example of the theory he has in his studies. e.g. in such conflicts each sides believes more or less:
- we are right, God is in our side, they are wrong
- we are the victims they are the aggresors
- we only respond to their actions
- even when we do harm they are to blame
- we are so moderate , they are radicals
- we make genuine concessions, theey are manipulative and put up smoke screens
- they understand only the language of force
i tend not to believe in theories... but we are just proving one right

[BirKibrisli]

hey birkibrisli,
i think for softliner, the discussions would just be a live example of the theory he has in his studies. e.g. in such conflicts each sides believes more or less:
- we are right, God is in our side, they are wrong
- we are the victims they are the aggresors
- we only respond to their actions
- even when we do harm they are to blame
- we are so moderate , they are radicals
- we make genuine concessions, theey are manipulative and put up smoke screens
- they understand only the language of force
i tend not to believe in theories... but we are just proving one right

Hi there,cypezokyli,
I was talking (well,arguing) with my ex wife yesterday.She was proving your theory as well.Everything was my fault.she was the victim.God (in this case Allah) was on her side. She was only responding to my moves.She hurt more than I did.I was only trying to manipulate her.The only language I understood was the court.This all started because I will not give give my permission for her to take our son (6 years old) out of Australia.When I asked for her permission 6 months ago,she refused saying I couldn.t be trusted to bring him back. When I made the big mistake(!) of pointing that out,I was accused of twisting everything to suit my arguments.She was more trustworthy than I was anyway,so her refusal was only right,protecting the boy's interest.
Sometimes I think TCs and GCs are like a disputing couple.There is no place for logic,it is all emotional and irrational.It is all about getting even,not repairing damage done in the past.It is a running wound that is not allowed to heal.It is life threatening,almost terminal.May God forgive all our sins.Because we are killing our Country slowly.

[cypezokyli]

sorry to hear that birkibrisli.
on this one i wont take your side but the side of the kid. try to do the best for his sake

[zan]

I was talking (well,arguing) with my ex wife yesterday.She was proving your theory as well.Everything was my fault.she was the victim.God (in this case Allah) was on her side. She was only responding to my moves.She hurt more than I did.I was only trying to manipulate her.The only language I understood was the court.This all started because I will not give give my permission for her to take our son (6 years old) out of Australia.When I asked for her permission 6 months ago,she refused saying I couldn.t be trusted to bring him back. When I made the big mistake(!) of pointing that out,I was accused of twisting everything to suit my arguments.She was more trustworthy than I was anyway,so her refusal was only right,protecting the boy's interest.
Sometimes I think TCs and GCs are like a disputing couple.There is no place for logic,it is all emotional and irrational.It is all about getting even,not repairing damage done in the past.It is a running wound that is not allowed to heal.It is life threatening,almost terminal.May God forgive all our sins.Because we are killing our Country slowly.

Before I go on to say what I have to say I must tell you that I too have been divorced and know what you are going through.

I have used an analogy of a divorced couple before to make my point. I have found, with a lot of heartache, anger and fear that I will never see my daughter again that there is only one way out of such a situation. You as a father will have to sort out a life for your self first. I don’t mean forget your child in the meantime, you will have to juggle both. It was only when I got married again and bought a house and my new wife gave me children that my ex saw me as a reliable and responsible person good enough for her child. It was then that she realised that it was my daughter that was missing out with her brothers. No mother’s heart is strong enough to deny a child as long as the mother thinks that her child is safe. I am afraid I was not bright enough to master mind this though, I am just glad it happened.

[BirKibrisli]

sorry to hear that birkibrisli.
on this one i wont take your side but the side of the kid. try to do the best for his sake

Thank you for your very wise advice,Cypezokyli.
That is exactly what we need to do.But we sometimes end up using our children to score points against each other.It all comes to trust in the end.And we all know how difficult that is to achieve.But we must keep trying.I do admire your calm responses to MS in another thread.You are a very wise young man,if I may say so without sounding patronising.