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[Piratis]

No you do not, you are simply trading legality for GCs against legality for TCs, which can hardly be qualified as a full support for legality for the sake of legality.

We are not trading anything. The occupation has negative effects on all Cypriots. You want it to have negative effect only on Greek Cypriots but this is not the way it works. We support the end of illegality caused by Turkey so everybody can have his/her legal rights without any kind of discrimination.

No I do not. I support a political settlement where some legal rights will be sacrificed with due compensation for the sake of the bizonal bicommunal nature of a federated state.

Thanks for clarifying. So the legal, human and democratic rights of Cypriots, and mostly Greek Cypriots, should be sacrificed so in Cyprus we will have what you call "federation" but is in fact 2 separate countries with a loose association between them.

Do you know any federation were the people of the country are not allowed to become residents of any state they wish? E.g. is there a US state that says: "Only up to 20% black are allowed in our state"?

Cyprus has always been one territory. Greek Cypriots have a history of 3500 years, and they have always been the majority in all Cyprus.

What you want is to legalize the ethnic cleansing that the Turkish army has performed against us in order to unnaturally create a separate Turkish country on our island.

[bg_turk]

We are not trading anything. The occupation has negative effects on all Cypriots. You want it to have negative effect only on Greek Cypriots but this is not the way it works. We support the end of illegality caused by Turkey so everybody can have his/her legal rights without any kind of discrimination.

As far as TC refugees are concerned it is not Turkey that is preventing them from returning, it is the government that you support, and by supporting the actions of this government you support the illegalities against TCs.

Thanks for clarifying. So the legal, human and democratic rights of Cypriots, and mostly Greek Cypriots, should be sacrificed so in Cyprus we will have what you call "federation" but is in fact 2 separate countries with a loose association between them.

The rights of Greek and Turkish displaced persons should be sacrificed equally so that the bizonality of the federation is ensured, a

Do you know any federation were the people of the country are not allowed to become residents of any state they wish? E.g. is there a US state that says: "Only up to 20% black are allowed in our state"?

Cyprus has always been one territory. Greek Cypriots have a history of 3500 years, and they have always been the majority in all Cyprus.

What you want is to legalize the ethnic cleansing that the Turkish army has performed against us in order to unnaturally create a separate Turkish country on our island.

This is your usual rheroric, and I am not going to argue with you on that since you know my arguments very well and I know what answers you are going to give to my answers, and so on. It has been done at least thousand times before. Under the assumption that ownership rights supercede all other rights then strictly speaking you could be correct.

Besides it is not your arguments of "full return to legality" that I am questioning, I am simply questioning your motives, since if it was legality that you were only concerned about, then you you would endorse it unconditionally, without feeling the need to place some conditions based on ethnicity.

[Main_Source]

As far as TC refugees are concerned it is not Turkey that is preventing them from returning, it is the government that you support, and by supporting the actions of this government you support the illegalities against TCs.

FOR FUCK SAKE!!! ARE YOU NOT READING WHAT I AM SAYING!? quit with repeating yourself and be realistic!!!!

This is your usual rheroric, and I am not going to argue with you on that since you know my arguments very well and I know what answers you are going to give to my answers, and so on. It has been done at least thousand times before. Under the assumption that ownership rights supercede all other rights then strictly speaking you could be correct.

Besides it is not your arguments of "full return to legality" that I am questioning, I am simply questioning your motives, since if it was legality that you were only concerned about, then you you would endorse it unconditionally, without feeling the need to place some conditions based on ethnicity

again...what is wrong with you??? stop being ignorant and read what me and Piratis are saying.

[bg_turk]

FOR FUCK SAKE!!! ARE YOU NOT READING WHAT I AM SAYING!? quit with repeating yourself and be realistic!!!!

You are saying that the rights of refugees supercede the rights of the owner. Yet, your own government has been repeating all along that the rights of the owner are above all.
Besides your point of view can be easily challenged and defeated at the ECHR as recent cases have shown that the "doctrine of necessity" cannot be used as a justification for the violation of ownership and citizenship rights of TCs. Rest assured that this will be done if your courts refuse Arif Mustafa's right to enjoy his properties.

Can you imagine what effect this will have on your whole case of full return to legality?

[ProudToBeGreek]

FOR FUCK SAKE!!! ARE YOU NOT READING WHAT I AM SAYING!? quit with repeating yourself and be realistic!!!!

You are saying that the rights of refugees supercede the rights of the owner. Yet, your own government has been repeating all along that the rights of the owner are above all.
Besides your point of view can be easily challenged and defeated at the ECHR as recent cases have shown that the "doctrine of necessity" cannot be used as a justification for the violation of ownership and citizenship rights of TCs. Rest assured that this will be done if your courts refuse Arif Mustafa's right to enjoy his properties.

Can you imagine what effect this will have on your whole case of full return to legality?

Hahahahaahaha!

You actually DO agree with full TC RoR, but dont agree with GC RoR.

Alhamuduillah! You are true Muslim, deceitful as ever!

[Eric dayi]

FOR FUCK SAKE!!! ARE YOU NOT READING WHAT I AM SAYING!? quit with repeating yourself and be realistic!!!!

You are saying that the rights of refugees supercede the rights of the owner. Yet, your own government has been repeating all along that the rights of the owner are above all.
Besides your point of view can be easily challenged and defeated at the ECHR as recent cases have shown that the "doctrine of necessity" cannot be used as a justification for the violation of ownership and citizenship rights of TCs. Rest assured that this will be done if your courts refuse Arif Mustafa's right to enjoy his properties.

Can you imagine what effect this will have on your whole case of full return to legality?

Hahahahaahaha!

You actually DO agree with full TC RoR, but dont agree with GC RoR.

Alhamuduillah! You are true Muslim, deceitful as ever!

You are as racist as ever.

Was you born a racist or did you learn it from your parents?

You know something, in my years of argueeing on the internet, I have come to realise that only a racist like yourself knows as much about the Muslim religion as a Muslim person. You probably read the Kuran more than you read the Bible, am I right?

[Main_Source]

he probably DOES read the Quran more than the bible. Just like YOU do your best to make up so called GC human rights abuses when the whole world knows about countless Turkish human rights abuses. Your just as bad as eachother.

You are saying that the rights of refugees supercede the rights of the owner. Yet, your own government has been repeating all along that the rights of the owner are above all.
Besides your point of view can be easily challenged and defeated at the ECHR as recent cases have shown that the "doctrine of necessity" cannot be used as a justification for the violation of ownership and citizenship rights of TCs. Rest assured that this will be done if your courts refuse Arif Mustafa's right to enjoy his properties.

What YOUR asking for at he end of the day is that TC should get their rightful land back back GC should not.

[Piratis]

he probably DOES read the Quran more than the bible. Just like YOU do your best to make up so called GC human rights abuses when the whole world knows about countless Turkish human rights abuses. Your just as bad as eachother.

Thats right Main Source. These people will search, find and then even exaggerate every single event that they believe helps their cause.

I am sure Eric has a database which includes every Turkish Cypriot that has ever been killed in the intercommunal conflict.

The aim of such people is to maintain hate and prove that people of different race/color/ethnicity etc can not live together in peace. These are exactly the same people that created the Cyprus problem in the first place. Without them any "divide and rule" policies by the British would have failed.

[bg_turk]

Piratis,

first please try pursuade people like ProudToBeGreek to be willing to live together with Turkish Cypriots. Please try to tell them to stop spitting their racist orgy of words, then you would be at least justified in accusing Eric for not being willing to live together with GCs.

And in fact I cannot accuse Eric dayi for not wanting to live in one state with people like ProudToBeGreek, I would not either.

[Piratis]

bg_turk, you are talking as if like there is ANY country that is free from racists.

There are the GC racists, which can be loud at times but they can't put in action much their racism except from an insistent here and there (like in all countries), and then there are the TC racists, who are unfortunately in power with the support of Turkey and they are enforcing their racists actions violating the human rights of 100s of thousands of people.

Personally I don't expect a racist free country. That would be utopian. What I do expect however is that all the racists are pushed to the corner without the power to promote their racist agendas.