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[Eric dayi]

Eric, you are lier, plain and simple.
Greek Cypriots never tried to steal TC land as you claim or perform genocide. These are nothing more than lies and you say them because you have nothing else to say to excuse the illegality and the ethnic cleansing you performed against us.

Between 1963 and until 1968 about the same number of Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots were killed in the intercommunal conflict. (some 100s on each site). However during the invasion alone 6000 Greek Cypriot died, and way way less Turkish Cypriots.

In 1963 the conflict didn't start because Greek Cypriots wanted "enosis" or anything like that. It started when Greek Cypriots had proposed changes to the constidutuion that would make the it more fair. Except if you will argue that it was fair that the 18% Turkish Cypriot minority should have 30% of govermental positions etc? However the Turkish Cypriots not only didn't discuss this proposals, but they decided to have the conflict with GCs. Indeed the GCs have a big share of responsibility in the conflict of 1963-68. However how can you blame the Greek Cypriots for everything because of those 5 years somewhere in history, when the Turks in Cyprus were oppressing us for centuries, and when the illegal occupation continues for 31 years already even at the very momment we speak?

In our whole history in Cyprus you were oppressing us and refusing to us our human and democratic rights (and you still are) and according to you all these are excused because Greek Cypriots had more share of a blame in a 5 year conflict??

These are cheap excuses my friend. Why don't you accept the application of legallity and human rights finally? Why do you insisit on your undemocratic and full with human rights violation tradition? Isn't it time to stop the excuses and change for the better?

As far as Turks in Greece goes, what about Greeks in Turkey? Actually if you didn't massacre the Greeks in Turkey, Turkey would have never excised in the first place.

Piratis, it is as clear as day that it is you who is the liar and it is you who is trying to justify your (Greeks and Greek Cypriots) attempt of genocide in the name of ENOSIS.

It was you Greeks who wanted ENOSIS (which is your "democratic" right as you and others have said before). It was you Greeks who tried to change a constitution that was agreed and signed by both the GC 's and the TC's.

It was you Greeks who pushed the Turkish Cypriots into enclaves of only 3% of the island and refused to even let medical and humaniterian supplies to get through to the TC's. You are still doing this even today but you are upset because it is not working in your favour entirely.

Where did you go to school by the way? The war that you started in 1963 ended with the intervention of Turkey in 1974. 1963 to 1974 is 11 YEARS not 5 as you are trying to make everyone believe. That alone proves that you are a liar.

Furthermore, it is 42 years since you imposed illegal and inhumane embargoes on the Turkish Cypriots, not 5, you liar.


It is just laughable that you are trying to excuse the ENOSIS dream and the attempted genocide of the Turkish Cypriots of what the Ottoman's did to you hundreds of years ago. What Sampson, Grivas and Makarios said proves without a shadow of a doubt that you Greeks tried to genocide us Turkish Cypriots.

Stop lying for Gods sake, the world doesn’t believe your lies any more.

[Piratis]

Piratis, it is as clear as day that it is you who is the liar and it is you who is trying to justify your (Greeks and Greek Cypriots) attempt of genocide in the name of ENOSIS.

I don't try to justify any "genocide" because such thing has never happened. How can you accuse us of performing genocide against you when we had the same number of casualties during the intercomunal conflict and way more casualties than you did during the invasion??? You are just talking nonsense.

It was you Greeks who wanted ENOSIS (which is your "democratic" right as you and others have said before). It was you Greeks who tried to change a constitution that was agreed and signed by both the GC 's and the TC's.

Before 1960 yes we wanted enosis, and yes, it was our democratic right. How was it be OK for you when the Turks and then the British were ruling Cyprus against the will of the majority of Cypriots, and union with Greece, which is what the majority wanted was not OK??

After 1960 as I said already we simply made some proposals for the change of what was unfair in the constitution. And I ask you again: Was it fair that the 18% of TCs should have the 30% of governmental positions?

It was you Greeks who pushed the Turkish Cypriots into enclaves of only 3% of the island and refused to even let medical and humanitarian supplies to get through to the TC's. You are still doing this even today but you are upset because it is not working in your favor entirely.

Just like you do today, you went into separate regions in order to promote your partition dream. Interesting that you are trying to steal our land and then you complain because we are not helping you to do so!!

Where did you go to school by the way? The war that you started in 1963 ended with the intervention of Turkey in 1974. 1963 to 1974 is 11 YEARS not 5 as you are trying to make everyone believe. That alone proves that you are a liar.

Most of the conflicts have ended in 1968, only to start again in 1974 after Turkey had invaded. This is a historical fact.

Furthermore, it is 42 years since you imposed illegal and inhumane embargoes on the Turkish Cypriots, not 5, you liar.

What is illegal is you occupation. Who is lier in this case can be found in the several UN resolutions that declare your "TRNC" as illegal and invalid.
What is inhumane is your insistence on illegality and human rights violations that keep 200.000 refugees away from their own homes. If you didn't insist on this illegality then no embargoes would exist either.

Stop lying for Gods sake, the world doesn’t believe your lies any more.

Who is lying is you. This is why your "TRNC" is not and will never be recognized. Because it is based on ethnic cleansing, the violations of international law and the violations of human rights of 100s of thousands of people. If you illegal occupation is justified as you claim, then why is it illegal, not only according to RoC but according to the whole world?

[Eric dayi]

Piratis, it is as clear as day that it is you who is the liar and it is you who is trying to justify your (Greeks and Greek Cypriots) attempt of genocide in the name of ENOSIS.

I don't try to justify any "genocide" because such thing has never happened. How can you accuse us of performing genocide against you when we had the same number of casualties during the intercomunal conflict and way more casualties than you did during the invasion??? You are just talking nonsense.

It was you Greeks who wanted ENOSIS (which is your "democratic" right as you and others have said before). It was you Greeks who tried to change a constitution that was agreed and signed by both the GC 's and the TC's.

Before 1960 yes we wanted enosis, and yes, it was our democratic right. How was it be OK for you when the Turks and then the British were ruling Cyprus against the will of the majority of Cypriots, and union with Greece, which is what the majority wanted was not OK??

After 1960 as I said already we simply made some proposals for the change of what was unfair in the constitution. And I ask you again: Was it fair that the 18% of TCs should have the 30% of governmental positions?

It was you Greeks who pushed the Turkish Cypriots into enclaves of only 3% of the island and refused to even let medical and humanitarian supplies to get through to the TC's. You are still doing this even today but you are upset because it is not working in your favor entirely.

Just like you do today, you went into separate regions in order to promote your partition dream. Interesting that you are trying to steal our land and then you complain because we are not helping you to do so!!

Where did you go to school by the way? The war that you started in 1963 ended with the intervention of Turkey in 1974. 1963 to 1974 is 11 YEARS not 5 as you are trying to make everyone believe. That alone proves that you are a liar.

Most of the conflicts have ended in 1968, only to start again in 1974 after Turkey had invaded. This is a historical fact.

Furthermore, it is 42 years since you imposed illegal and inhumane embargoes on the Turkish Cypriots, not 5, you liar.

What is illegal is you occupation. Who is lier in this case can be found in the several UN resolutions that declare your "TRNC" as illegal and invalid.
What is inhumane is your insistence on illegality and human rights violations that keep 200.000 refugees away from their own homes. If you didn't insist on this illegality then no embargoes would exist either.

Stop lying for Gods sake, the world doesn’t believe your lies any more.

Who is lying is you. This is why your "TRNC" is not and will never be recognized. Because it is based on ethnic cleansing, the violations of international law and the violations of human rights of 100s of thousands of people. If you illegal occupation is justified as you claim, then why is it illegal, not only according to RoC but according to the whole world?

This is exactly all the lies you have been feeding the world since 1963 and speacially after 1974, but like I said the world is waking up and finding out that it has been the Greeks who have been lying all these years.

In 1979 even the Greek courts declared the (what you call) "invation" as intervention and legal[/b]. But even this you have tried to hide.


Here. read these:

"There is barbarism in Cyprus after all. Alaminos village is the scene where Greek Cypriots exhibited their skill in horror...
This is a mixed village of Greeks and Turks but it is the Greek side that dominates here, having overrun the few Turkish defenders on the first days of the war. Bur for all their spick and span uniforms the young Austrians patrolling Alaminos are obviously no match for the escalating calamities that have befallen this picture-postcard village that sits all shimmering white amidst the burnished hills....Alaminos village has already been in the news because a massacre of 13 Turkish Cypriots was discovered their three weeks ago ...A UN investigation indicated that 13 were killed by firing squad...For the few Turks left in the village the future is somber." (Peter Arnett, Associated Press. 13 August 1974)

"Corpses of 88 Turkish Cypriots have been discovered on a rubbish heap, in Nicosia. These people had been gunned down by Greek Cypriots and Greeks and before their murder they had been tied up with wire. The heads of some of the corpses had been severed from the bodies." (Reported by CBS Television,22 August, 1974.)

"In a Greek raid on a small Turkish village near Limassol, 36 people out of a population of 200 were killed. The Greeks said that they had been given orders to kill the inhabitants of the Turkish villages before the Turkish forces arrived." (Washington Post, 23 July, 1974)

"Members of the Greek Cypriot National Guard were mercilessly murdering all the civilian men, women and children of the Turkish Cypriot villages and towns." (Reported by Kurt Lariken, Correspondence of the Die Welt newspaper, 22 August, 1974.)

"Using mechanical shovels attached to the two tractors the troops unearthed the bodies of two men and a woman clutching two children in her arms." (Report on mass graves at Aloa and Maratha, The Guardian. 21 August, 1974.)


Not genocide you say? Read what Makarios said.

Makarios:
Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race that has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered terminated."

Here, read what that murdering swine Sampson said:

Sampson:
"Had Turkey not intervened, I would not only have proclaimed Enosis but I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus as well." (Interview in Paris, Eleftherotipia, February 26, 1981.)

You Greeks tried to genocide us Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus. You Greeks tried to steal our land and our homes. You Greeks still want ENOSIS. You Greeks still want to make us minorities in our own country. You Greeks did not keep to the agreement you signed with us. You Greeks tried to change the constitution by force. You Greeks did not and still do not want to share Cyprus with us. And after all this, you Greeks shout "foul play"? LOL, what a laugh!

If you can't stand the heat, stay the hell out of the kitchen!

[zan]

Piratis wrote:

I don't try to justify any "genocide" because such thing has never happened. How can you accuse us of performing genocide against you when we had the same number of casualties during the intercomunal conflict and way more casualties than you did during the invasion??? You are just talking nonsense.

EOKA (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston)
EOKA [Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston - National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] started a guerrilla campaign against British colonial rule aimed at self-determination and union with Greece (Enosis)on 01 April 1955. The campaign, which started when the first EOKA bombs exploded at 00.30 hours on 1st of April 1955, lasted until 1959 and caused the death of more Greek Cypriot civilians than the total of British killed.


EOKA (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston)

[zan]

piratis wrote:

Before 1960 yes we wanted enosis, and yes, it was our democratic right. How was it be OK for you when the Turks and then the British were ruling Cyprus against the will of the majority of Cypriots, and union with Greece, which is what the majority wanted was not OK??

After 1960 as I said already we simply made some proposals for the change of what was unfair in the constitution. And I ask you again: Was it fair that the 18% of TCs should have the 30% of governmental positions?

***For those of you that dont know much about the 1974 Cyprus peackeeping mission turned invasion of Cyprus, this pig and his terrorist EOKA militant buddies including the military junta then ruling greece massacered and raped thousand of Turkish Cypriots. That led to Turkey being forced into saving its citizens from being further victims of genocide at the hands of the greek cypriots. Turkey is there now and our brave soldiers will not allow that massacre to occur again***

Andreas Dimitriu a former militant of EOKA (Greek Cypriot terror organization) confessed that they attacked Turkish Cypriots, and raped them, 30 years ago.

http://www.eubusiness.com/East_Europe/0 ... nitem_view

[zan]

Piratis wrote:

So much crap I cant be bothered anymore

[Main_Source]

massacered and raped thousand of Turkish Cypriots

lol. your so full of shit.

Can you tell me which official figures led you to 'thousands'?....let alone 'massacred' and 'raped'. lol

Why dont you fuck off to your Fools Paradise (yes, Melissa Morgan also sung a record by the same name) called ATCA.

[Eric dayi]

massacered and raped thousand of Turkish Cypriots

lol. your so full of shit.

Can you tell me which official figures led you to 'thousands'?....let alone 'massacred' and 'raped'. lol

Why dont you fuck off to your Fools Paradise (yes, Melissa Morgan also sung a record by the same name) called ATCA.

LOL..Temper, temper there Sourcey, you'll burst a pipe in your water works.

[Tony-4497]

Eric, Zan and the rest here.. in typical Turk style you have chosen to conveniently ignore questions you cannot answer and simply continued to talk baseless crap. So here is my note again.. I expect you will provide a response before continuing to talk about the "war" that the Gr-Cypriots "started":
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More lies.. Eric:

The Cyprus problem started in 1963 by the Greeks and Greek Cypriots

Turks tend to refer to intercommunal violence in Cyprus in the 60s in order to justify the invasion and continuing illegal occupation of half of Cyprus.

What Turks conveniently neglect to mention is how it all started. Turkey had stated the aim of partition of Cyprus ("taksim") decades before the violence started, as it considered Cyprus a key strategic location for her defence and expanionist plans (many statements by Turkish leaders support this - which I will provide if anyone doubts this).

Turkey set up and armed the TMT terrorist group in 1957, 3 years before the 1960 agreements, and BEFORE ANY intercommunal violence took place. The stated aim of TMT was to prove that Greek and Turkish Cypriots could not co-exist and thus achieve partition.

The FIRST EVER intercommunal killings were those of 8 Gr-Cypriots in Kondemenos, by TMT, in 1958. I CHALLENGE Eric or any other Turk here to contradict this with an earlier example. Denktash, a leader of TMT and founder and former "President" of "TRNC", admitted that TMT BOMBED TURKISH CYPRIOTS and then blamed it on Gr-Cypriots to cause violence. Also, TMT KILLED MANY TURKISH CYPRIOTS who would not follow her orders to isolate themselves from Gr-Cypriots, including many journalists.

The following is from the Tr-Cypriot newspaper Africa (12.02.03):

"Subtitle: How clashes started
After a bomb against the Information Office of the Turkish Consulate, on 12 June 1958 British security forces arrested 8 Greek Cypriots at Kondemenos village and transported them to the nearest Turkish Cypriot village Gunyeli, about 10 kilometres, and left them free. By order of TMT these Greek Cypriots were massacred by Turkish Cypriots. This was the first incident whereby blood was shed between the two communities. This massacre has been committed with the intention that the Greek Cypriots will retaliate. Behind this provocative murders there were people whom Denktas called "some of our friends". Mr Denktas admitted during statements to a British television that TMT was responsible for the bombing incident".

[Eric dayi]

Tony-4497,

Are you a GC/Greek?