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claret you may have started out that way but soon after you placed your negativity purely on the TC side. What you have to realize is the the formula for a solution deludes us and will continue to do as the chasm is just to wide to bridge, the reason being mistrust which brings about guarantees checks and balances which would not normally be necessary in other countries. As I always say its not the surgeon knife thats the problem but the surgeon himself. Resolve the trust issue and you will be well on your way to solving the Cyprus issue.

I consider my views to be well balanced. I have NEVER made any derogatory comments against the T/Cs.
I refer to the northern parts of Cyprus as occupied because the entire world does so.
I refer to the "trnc" as a pseudo state because its precisely what the rest of the world view, hence no direct trade, mail, flights etc etc. A real state is generally recognized first by the UN and then by the rest of the world. The creation of the occupying force, ie the "trnc" its not recognized by single nation on earth, the creator of course is an exemption.
As to whether the "trnc" exists or not well of of course it does, so does forged money, art, and numerous other forgeries.
You sir have the wrong attitude purely based on your own prejudices, I on the other hand do not. I value my comments and do my best to cast a fair view on the subjects discussed WITHOUT capitulating to anyone else's bigoted and prejudiced views.
While carrying out some research on the CY Forum I came across some contributors which do not currently appear to be posting, one such was BANANIOT, another was Denizazoglu ( forgive my spelling), ICEMAN,MILTIDES, PIRATIS,
and a few others. All had their own views but on balance each had a point to put across. May I also mention that a few of the above mentioned had views not dissimilar to those I hold.

Where you fail is not realizing or understanding the other sides viewpoint, which makes you 100% biased and lacking in empathy towards TCs who have been fighting for their right to live peacefully and administer themselves free from Gc oppression and domination. If you think that all the disadvantages you quoted above which you support by your admission just because the world tells you how think will break us you are totally wrong we are willing to pay even a higher price it only makes us more determined to hold onto what we have and work closer with Turkey to continue to develop relations.

The only way to entice TCs towards wanting to unite is to build trust and offer a solution that would give them more than they have today, ask any TCs you like if they want the TA to leave before finding a solution or if the want to be a minority in a GC run state? I can assure you 99.9% will say noway to both questions.

[GreekIslandGirl]

While carrying out some research on the CY Forum I came across some contributors which do not currently appear to be posting, one such was BANANIOT, another was Denizazoglu ( forgive my spelling), ICEMAN,MILTIDES, PIRATIS,
and a few others. All had their own views but on balance each had a point to put across. May I also mention that a few of the above mentioned had views not dissimilar to those I hold.

Yes, Piratis is probably Bananiot.

I always suspected that Miltiades and VP are the same person who became Bananiot on the weekends and Piratis on wednesdays.

Just when I'm approaching my 100th post and about to reveal, for VPs benefit, all about myself, GR susses me out !! I'm all, Bananiot, VP,Piratis and Miltiades too!!

Cough cough ...

Thank you for your welcoming words.
On joining this forum I decided that on making 50 posts I shall seize posting.

[claret21]

claret you may have started out that way but soon after you placed your negativity purely on the TC side. What you have to realize is the the formula for a solution deludes us and will continue to do as the chasm is just to wide to bridge, the reason being mistrust which brings about guarantees checks and balances which would not normally be necessary in other countries. As I always say its not the surgeon knife thats the problem but the surgeon himself. Resolve the trust issue and you will be well on your way to solving the Cyprus issue.

I consider my views to be well balanced. I have NEVER made any derogatory comments against the T/Cs.
I refer to the northern parts of Cyprus as occupied because the entire world does so.
I refer to the "trnc" as a pseudo state because its precisely what the rest of the world view, hence no direct trade, mail, flights etc etc. A real state is generally recognized first by the UN and then by the rest of the world. The creation of the occupying force, ie the "trnc" its not recognized by single nation on earth, the creator of course is an exemption.
As to whether the "trnc" exists or not well of of course it does, so does forged money, art, and numerous other forgeries.
You sir have the wrong attitude purely based on your own prejudices, I on the other hand do not. I value my comments and do my best to cast a fair view on the subjects discussed WITHOUT capitulating to anyone else's bigoted and prejudiced views.
While carrying out some research on the CY Forum I came across some contributors which do not currently appear to be posting, one such was BANANIOT, another was Denizazoglu ( forgive my spelling), ICEMAN,MILTIDES, PIRATIS,
and a few others. All had their own views but on balance each had a point to put across. May I also mention that a few of the above mentioned had views not dissimilar to those I hold.

Where you fail is not realizing or understanding the other sides viewpoint, which makes you 100% biased and lacking in empathy towards TCs who have been fighting for their right to live peacefully and administer themselves free from Gc oppression and domination. If you think that all the disadvantages you quoted above which you support by your admission just because the world tells you how think will break us you are totally wrong we are willing to pay even a higher price it only makes us more determined to hold onto what we have and work closer with Turkey to continue to develop relations.

The only way to entice TCs towards wanting to unite is to build trust and offer a solution that would give them more than they have today, ask any TCs you like if they want the TA to leave before finding a solution or if the want to be a minority in a GC run state? I can assure you 99.9% will say noway to both questions.

VP, you, a foreign born so called T/C but in reality a 100% Turk, is one of the prime factors that this island is divided. You are, by any stretch of the imagination a racist, a fascist,an extremist, and Cyprus needs peace loving people, moderates, wise and above all all CYPRIOTS.
I suggest that Turkey, your motherland, might be more suited to you and your kind (Including as above G/Cs)
Yiou are a total waste for Cyprus, Turkey is where you belong!

GIG, I did actually mean to do only 50 posts but I decided to prolong VPs ...agony in finding out my personal details. He soon will I can vouch for that!

[Oceanside50]

Vp said:

[quote][because the GC side do not(see) our TC side as their equals they want to force minority rights upon us in our own country, which we will never accept./quote]

What type of minority rights do the Gc want to impose on the Tc?..your statement doesn't make sense Vp

[Viewpoint]

Vp said:

[because the GC side do not(see) our TC side as their equals they want to force minority rights upon us in our own country, which we will never accept./quote]

What type of minority rights do the Gc want to impose on the Tc?..your statement doesn't make sense Vp

Minority rights as in second class citizens and no say in your own country.

[Viewpoint]

claret you may have started out that way but soon after you placed your negativity purely on the TC side. What you have to realize is the the formula for a solution deludes us and will continue to do as the chasm is just to wide to bridge, the reason being mistrust which brings about guarantees checks and balances which would not normally be necessary in other countries. As I always say its not the surgeon knife thats the problem but the surgeon himself. Resolve the trust issue and you will be well on your way to solving the Cyprus issue.

I consider my views to be well balanced. I have NEVER made any derogatory comments against the T/Cs.
I refer to the northern parts of Cyprus as occupied because the entire world does so.
I refer to the "trnc" as a pseudo state because its precisely what the rest of the world view, hence no direct trade, mail, flights etc etc. A real state is generally recognized first by the UN and then by the rest of the world. The creation of the occupying force, ie the "trnc" its not recognized by single nation on earth, the creator of course is an exemption.
As to whether the "trnc" exists or not well of of course it does, so does forged money, art, and numerous other forgeries.
You sir have the wrong attitude purely based on your own prejudices, I on the other hand do not. I value my comments and do my best to cast a fair view on the subjects discussed WITHOUT capitulating to anyone else's bigoted and prejudiced views.
While carrying out some research on the CY Forum I came across some contributors which do not currently appear to be posting, one such was BANANIOT, another was Denizazoglu ( forgive my spelling), ICEMAN,MILTIDES, PIRATIS,
and a few others. All had their own views but on balance each had a point to put across. May I also mention that a few of the above mentioned had views not dissimilar to those I hold.

Where you fail is not realizing or understanding the other sides viewpoint, which makes you 100% biased and lacking in empathy towards TCs who have been fighting for their right to live peacefully and administer themselves free from Gc oppression and domination. If you think that all the disadvantages you quoted above which you support by your admission just because the world tells you how think will break us you are totally wrong we are willing to pay even a higher price it only makes us more determined to hold onto what we have and work closer with Turkey to continue to develop relations.

The only way to entice TCs towards wanting to unite is to build trust and offer a solution that would give them more than they have today, ask any TCs you like if they want the TA to leave before finding a solution or if the want to be a minority in a GC run state? I can assure you 99.9% will say noway to both questions.

VP, you, a foreign born so called T/C but in reality a 100% Turk, is one of the prime factors that this island is divided. You are, by any stretch of the imagination a racist, a fascist,an extremist, and Cyprus needs peace loving people, moderates, wise and above all all CYPRIOTS.
I suggest that Turkey, your motherland, might be more suited to you and your kind (Including as above G/Cs)
Yiou are a total waste for Cyprus, Turkey is where you belong!

GIG, I did actually mean to do only 50 posts but I decided to prolong VPs ...agony in finding out my personal details. He soon will I can vouch for that!

Now now claret you are gradually revealing your true face, you are in actual fact someone else arent you? probably someone who was banned before and came back under another nick name.

No its biggots like yourself who want to force us TCs into foreign status in our country, this we will never allow....why do you want to force us to throw away our rights as per international agreements to accept being a minority group among GCs in our own country?

[claret21]

claret you may have started out that way but soon after you placed your negativity purely on the TC side. What you have to realize is the the formula for a solution deludes us and will continue to do as the chasm is just to wide to bridge, the reason being mistrust which brings about guarantees checks and balances which would not normally be necessary in other countries. As I always say its not the surgeon knife thats the problem but the surgeon himself. Resolve the trust issue and you will be well on your way to solving the Cyprus issue.

I consider my views to be well balanced. I have NEVER made any derogatory comments against the T/Cs.
I refer to the northern parts of Cyprus as occupied because the entire world does so.
I refer to the "trnc" as a pseudo state because its precisely what the rest of the world view, hence no direct trade, mail, flights etc etc. A real state is generally recognized first by the UN and then by the rest of the world. The creation of the occupying force, ie the "trnc" its not recognized by single nation on earth, the creator of course is an exemption.
As to whether the "trnc" exists or not well of of course it does, so does forged money, art, and numerous other forgeries.
You sir have the wrong attitude purely based on your own prejudices, I on the other hand do not. I value my comments and do my best to cast a fair view on the subjects discussed WITHOUT capitulating to anyone else's bigoted and prejudiced views.
While carrying out some research on the CY Forum I came across some contributors which do not currently appear to be posting, one such was BANANIOT, another was Denizazoglu ( forgive my spelling), ICEMAN,MILTIDES, PIRATIS,
and a few others. All had their own views but on balance each had a point to put across. May I also mention that a few of the above mentioned had views not dissimilar to those I hold.

Where you fail is not realizing or understanding the other sides viewpoint, which makes you 100% biased and lacking in empathy towards TCs who have been fighting for their right to live peacefully and administer themselves free from Gc oppression and domination. If you think that all the disadvantages you quoted above which you support by your admission just because the world tells you how think will break us you are totally wrong we are willing to pay even a higher price it only makes us more determined to hold onto what we have and work closer with Turkey to continue to develop relations.

The only way to entice TCs towards wanting to unite is to build trust and offer a solution that would give them more than they have today, ask any TCs you like if they want the TA to leave before finding a solution or if the want to be a minority in a GC run state? I can assure you 99.9% will say noway to both questions.

VP, you, a foreign born so called T/C but in reality a 100% Turk, is one of the prime factors that this island is divided. You are, by any stretch of the imagination a racist, a fascist,an extremist, and Cyprus needs peace loving people, moderates, wise and above all all CYPRIOTS.
I suggest that Turkey, your motherland, might be more suited to you and your kind (Including as above G/Cs)
Yiou are a total waste for Cyprus, Turkey is where you belong!

GIG, I did actually mean to do only 50 posts but I decided to prolong VPs ...agony in finding out my personal details. He soon will I can vouch for that!

Now now claret you are gradually revealing your true face, you are in actual fact someone else arent you? probably someone who was banned before and came back under another nick name.

No its biggots like yourself who want to force us TCs into foreign status in our country, this we will never allow....why do you want to force us to throw away our rights as per international agreements to accept being a minority group among GCs in our own country?

Who are these people who are trying to turn you into foreigners, in singular actually not plural, turn you into a foreigner?
Who is trying to force you to throw your rights away as per international agreements. Which agreements VP ?
Are T/Cs the majority by any chance ?
You are obsessed with your own warped interpretation sir. You and the likes of you, on both sides, are the ones that are the obstacle to a unified island. Clearly those like minded should make an exit from Cyprus and join their respective motherlands.
I have read nothing remotely conciliatory from you, nothing that would shake my views that you are a fascist, a racist and a foreigner.
Born in the UK,but refers to himself as Cypriot!!!

[Viewpoint]

Hold on a moment Im a very proud Turkish Cypriot whos motherland is North Cyprus, I will not be forced into minority status by the GCs like the Pakistanis and other ethnic groups in the UK, they are treated as foreigners, second class citizens always at a disadvantage. I want to be like the Scottish and Welsh in the UK, do you understand the difference?

Does being less in numbers make me any less a partner when you consider the agreements of 1960?

I support compromise via a BBF with political equality of the 2 states, isnt that conciliatory enough for you? ask how many GCs support the same, all they demand is that they are the majority and we are the minority and should throw away our internationally recognized rights to become foreigners in our own country.

Why do you want this for us TCs?

[Maximus]

VP, you, a foreign born so called T/C but in reality a 100% Turk, is one of the prime factors that this island is divided. You are, by any stretch of the imagination a racist, a fascist, an extremist, and Cyprus needs peace loving people, moderates, wise and above all all CYPRIOTS.
I suggest that Turkey, your motherland, might be more suited to you and your kind (Including as above G/Cs)
You are a total waste for Cyprus, Turkey is where you belong!

Also consider, many "TC's" and other people living in the occupied areas think along similar lines as VP.

[Maximus]

Hold on a moment Im a very proud Turkish Cypriot whos motherland is North Cyprus, I will not be forced into minority status by the GCs like the Pakistanis and other ethnic groups in the UK, they are treated as foreigners, second class citizens always at a disadvantage. I want to be like the Scottish and Welsh in the UK, do you understand the difference?

Does being less in numbers make me any less a partner when you consider the agreements of 1960?

I support compromise via a BBF with political equality of the 2 states, isnt that conciliatory enough for you? ask how many GCs support the same, all they demand is that they are the majority and we are the minority and should throw away our internationally recognized rights to become foreigners in our own country.

Why do you want this for us TCs?

Its 2013! try and move up a notch from your current status of unrecognised illegitimate to minority community in Cyprus. Better still, make haste, go and become a super Turk in Turkey.