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[Get Real!]

you will find that the latest resolution/decision deletes the others.

Get educated dude and quit making a dork of yourself.

[kurupetos]

you will find that the latest resolution/decision deletes the others.

Get educated dude and quit making a dork of yourself.

No, Master Bates has the right to be a fool.

[claret21]

claret you obviously lack the understanding that we refuse to be a minority in a GC state and will continue to fight against such developments. Maxi is easily influencing your ability to impartiality. Do you know of the internationally recognized agreements between the GCs and TCs of 1960, our rights are clearly defined in these agreements. Its from these agreements which the GCs want to erase that we are accepted as a partner in the formation of the "RoC". Another important point that you have to understand is that both sides agree BBF with political equality of the two states is a compromise between enosis and taksim. Once you understand these very important issues you will understand the TC viewpoint.

We will never accept becoming a minority in a GC run state, we would rather as the north become part of Turkey or remain the same than surrender to this GC demand....if you can out forward a solution that incorporates a BBF with political equality of the two sides then I am pretty certain that the majority of TCs would once again say yes, but the Gcs would never accept your BBF proposition as it does not give them Cyprus on a plate.

You always forget to add the tail to that line.....let me remind you...."as set out in the relevant Security Council resolutions". If you can't be bothered to read them I'll give you a few reminders if you like.

you will find that the latest resolution/decision deletes the others. annan plan was the last. you lost. never mind better luck next time. but be awake next time there is a vote otherwise you will lose for the last time.

Let me first refer to the AP (I have read it) and make the following comments. Bad, good or indifferent, it was put to the people and it was democratically rejected by the overwhelming majority, that's good enough for a democrat to accept.
One crystal clear conclusion I came to was that the AP legitimized the 1974 Turkish invasion and extended to Turkey the right to interne any time and any where it pleases.
Furthermore I believe the AP was supposed to be a unifying Plan, on the contrary it was a very decisive one.
May I take up VPs statemented and say that I accept fully the fact that, as he says he is a 100 % T/C, he also refers and accepts that the ZA granted the T/Cs 30 % but did not specifically nominate the T/C as a minority. Most people nevertheless consider that 30% represents a minority holding in any situation, be it financial, or political.
VP also asks of my ethnicity and domicile . I don't consider either as relative since I believe that I have, in a very short period of time on this forum,demonstrated my love for Cyprus and all of its people. I have stated a few times that I consider the T/Cs have as much right to be on the island and call it their own homeland just as the G/Cs have.
I consider the 1974 invasion to be just that, an invasion,and not an intervention as Turkey refers to .
In November 1974, the United Nations General Assembly unanimously adopted resolution 3221, with the framework for a solution to the Cyprus problem. It

1) Calls upon all states to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus and to refrain from all acts and interventions directed against it;

2) Urges the speedy withdrawal of all foreign forces and foreign military presence and personnel from the Republic of Cyprus and the cessation of all foreign interference in its affairs;

5) Considers that all the refugees should return to their homes in safety and calls upon the parties concerned to undertake urgent measures to that end.
On 18 November 1983, the Security Council adopted resolution 541(1983), which reads, in part,

1. Deplores the Declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the Declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975); …

6. Calls upon all states to recognize the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all states not to recognize any Cypriot state other than the Republic of Cyprus;….

May I also add that In order to entertain Turkey’s argument that it had a right under the Treaty of Guarantee may be, in some capacity, understandable. However, this does not explain Turkey’s 1974 invasion. If Turkey had a right to intervene, it was in order to, and for the purpose of, re-establishing the state of affairs created by the Treaty. The right ends there. Their right as Guarantor did not include the right to invade an independent and sovereign country.
You may consider my views as pro G/C, and you would be wrong. I merely interpret situations based on international forums such as the UN, the ECHR, the EU as well as on the reality than 39 years have passed and not one single nation has recognized the Turkish created and controlled "TRNC".

[Viewpoint]

claret your reluctance to answer my question about your location and ethnic origin reveals to us a great deal, your bised towards the GCs tells us you are in disguise trying to sell us the lie that you are an independent uneffected by the brain washing carried out by the GCs in education system of the south. The above would all be great but Turkeys intervention/invasion was warranted, it occured to solve the problems that arose after the 1960 agreements, to this this date have we solved anything? adhering to the UN resolutions would not only cause more conflict and suffering but place everyone life in great danger, is this what you want for the people of this island? I think I need to remind you that if you are so UN abiding then the Un backed the AP which we said yes to and the GC said no, why arent you telling the GCs to raise areas of the AP they are not happy with request they are amended in order to get a YES out of their people. Shall I tell you why they will never do this because BBF with equality of the 2 sides will not hand them Cyprus on a plate, it will not force us into minority status and allow them to rule supreme while we look on as foreigners in our own homeland....would you throw away all you rights and accept this?

I gave you an honest answer when you questioned my ethnic origins I only think it polite that you do the same otherwise your motives abd input will lose great credibility.

[claret21]

claret your reluctance to answer my question about your location and ethnic origin reveals to us a great deal, your bised towards the GCs tells us you are in disguise trying to sell us the lie that you are an independent uneffected by the brain washing carried out by the GCs in education system of the south. The above would all be great but Turkeys intervention/invasion was warranted, it occured to solve the problems that arose after the 1960 agreements, to this this date have we solved anything? adhering to the UN resolutions would not only cause more conflict and suffering but place everyone life in great danger, is this what you want for the people of this island? I think I need to remind you that if you are so UN abiding then the Un backed the AP which we said yes to and the GC said no, why arent you telling the GCs to raise areas of the AP they are not happy with request they are amended in order to get a YES out of their people. Shall I tell you why they will never do this because BBF with equality of the 2 sides will not hand them Cyprus on a plate, it will not force us into minority status and allow them to rule supreme while we look on as foreigners in our own homeland....would you throw away all you rights and accept this?

I gave you an honest answer when you questioned my ethnic origins I only think it polite that you do the same otherwise your motives abd input will lose great credibility.

I shall in time, on reaching 100 posts when I shall make my exit from this forum- I was only passing by- I shall reveal. In the meantime you will agree that I can only base my views formulated by information gained from the sources mentioned earlier and not by either propaganda or indoctrination.
Not a single word I mentioned stigmatizes or derogates the T/Cs, I'm sure you will agree on this.
I have expressed highly critical views on Cyprus's connection to Greece, in the case of the G/Cs, and equally critical of the relationship of the T/Cs to Turkey, both of these nations are recognized by the international community as being foreign nations, and I'm convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that these two nations are wholly responsible for the current political stalemate and of the tragic events of 1974.
Greece on one hand encouraged the Turkish invasion by masterminding the coup against the elected government of the time, Turkey on the other used this pretext to invade and achieve its objective of dividing the island.
I believe that for hundreds of years the two communities lived side by side without any conflict, they can do so again.
I believe also that the T/Cs have an undeniable right to a say in the administration of their country, with their security guaranteed by non related nations who will be given extensive powers to intervene. Turkey as a guarantor will never work since the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people would find unacceptable. Ditch the two " devils" and you will progress and unite.

[DT.]

claret you obviously lack the understanding that we refuse to be a minority in a GC state and will continue to fight against such developments. Maxi is easily influencing your ability to impartiality. Do you know of the internationally recognized agreements between the GCs and TCs of 1960, our rights are clearly defined in these agreements. Its from these agreements which the GCs want to erase that we are accepted as a partner in the formation of the "RoC". Another important point that you have to understand is that both sides agree BBF with political equality of the two states is a compromise between enosis and taksim. Once you understand these very important issues you will understand the TC viewpoint.

We will never accept becoming a minority in a GC run state, we would rather as the north become part of Turkey or remain the same than surrender to this GC demand....if you can out forward a solution that incorporates a BBF with political equality of the two sides then I am pretty certain that the majority of TCs would once again say yes, but the Gcs would never accept your BBF proposition as it does not give them Cyprus on a plate.

You always forget to add the tail to that line.....let me remind you...."as set out in the relevant Security Council resolutions". If you can't be bothered to read them I'll give you a few reminders if you like.

you will find that the latest resolution/decision deletes the others. annan plan was the last. you lost. never mind better luck next time. but be awake next time there is a vote otherwise you will lose for the last time.

The Annan plan is not a UN resolution. Surely you knew that!

[Viewpoint]

I find your continued reluctance to openly respond to my simple request that you reveal your ethnic origins and location dubious, indicating that you are neither genuine nor impartial in your posts, again you show this by not really responding to direct questions and only using words that cloud and do not put forward anything of substance.

In your above post the operative words you used were "to live peacefully side by side", which we have been been doing for the last 39 years. Let me bring to your attention that side by side ideology changed forever in 1974, whatever the events we have to look at the reality of today and how we can go forward together or as we are. TCs will only go forward united if the solution is better than what they have today, recognized or not they have been living peacefully for 39 years without the problems they faced with GCs in the past, what they GCs are offering is not what the TCs want so why should they accept minority rights in a GC run state? We want a BBF where each state run their own affairs at the local level under a federal unmbrella with political equality in decision making, whats wrong with this its what the UN EU and majority of nations supported via the AP but due to ulterior motives and lack of desire for a BBF the GCs rejected.

Why do you like the GCs oppose a BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

[DT.]

I find your continued reluctance to openly respond to my simple request that you reveal your ethnic origins and location dubious, indicating that you are neither genuine nor impartial in your posts, again you show this by not really responding to direct questions and only using words that cloud and do not put forward anything of substance.

In your above post the operative words you used were "to live peacefully side by side", which we have been been doing for the last 39 years. Let me bring to your attention that side by side ideology changed forever in 1974, whatever the events we have to look at the reality of today and how we can go forward together or as we are. TCs will only go forward united if the solution is better than what they have today, recognized or not they have been living peacefully for 39 years without the problems they faced with GCs in the past, what they GCs are offering is not what the TCs want so why should they accept minority rights in a GC run state? We want a BBF where each state run their own affairs at the local level under a federal unmbrella with political equality in decision making, whats wrong with this its what the UN EU and majority of nations supported via the AP but due to ulterior motives and lack of desire for a BBF the GCs rejected.

Why do you like the GCs oppose a BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

"as set out in the relevant Security Council resolutions"

ts ts ts...need to keep correcting these kids till they get it right.

[Maximus]

its a fair assessment claret21,

the illegal settlers should be resettled in back in Turkey, everyone's property rights should be respected, and the Turkish military must withdraw and respect Cyprus sovereign integrity. Those TC's who identify more with Turkey can depart with them. Those TC's that choose to remain can take up their citizenship as equal individuals, in a democratic republic of Cyprus. This is an amicable, lasting and just solution.

The will of the majority must be respected and the rights of minorities protected.

Viewpoint, you are pushing for a Turkish dictatorship in Cyprus, where your side can continue to extort from Cypriots living under an apartheid and ungovernable system. Your agenda is laced with malicious intent. No one recognizes you and the solution above is amicable, lasting and just.

What difference would it make to you, being resettled back in Turkey anyway? You can live as an ethnic majority with your Turkish blood brothers.

You are not part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.

[Viewpoint]

its a fair assessment claret21,

the illegal settlers should be resettled in back in Turkey, everyone's property rights should be respected, and the Turkish military must withdraw and respect Cyprus sovereign integrity. Those TC's who identify more with Turkey can depart with them. Those TC's that choose to remain can take up their citizenship as equal individuals, in a democratic republic of Cyprus. This is an amicable, lasting and just solution.

The will of the majority must be respected and the rights of minorities protected.

Viewpoint, you are pushing for a Turkish dictatorship in Cyprus, where your side can continue to extort from Cypriots living under an apartheid and ungovernable system. Your agenda is laced with malicious intent. No one recognizes you and the solution above is amicable, lasting and just.

What difference would it make to you, being resettled back in Turkey anyway? You can live as an ethnic majority with your Turkish blood brothers.

You are not part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.

Maxi Turkey is not my country why should I go live there to please morons like you? why didnt you just go live in Greece when you demanded enosis? Recognized or not the TRNC is my country and in order to compromise we have accepted a BBF with political equality as backed by the UN, whats your problem doesnt it give you what you want? the TCs to throw away their rights as per the 1960 agreements and acceptling living as a minority in a GC run state in their own homeland?