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[GreekIslandGirl]

Claret21 - you sound like those protestant missionaries sent to convert the natives to believe in a god - in this case, an 'ethnos' of colonialist creation.

I asked you before; would you kindly tell us why you appear to have such a vested interest in force-feeding us your opinions on what we are and what is good for us?

BTW - you might have a bias on what my country is or is not - but for me it's not a "bias" - it is my culture and you are insulting it!

[claret21]

Lady, the Cypriot people are the natives of Cyprus, they have a right to be just Cypriots .

You should have said GREEK CYPRIOTS are the NATIVES. Others came by invasion and carried out ethnic cleansing of these native people.

I have never denied the fact that there are Greek Cypriots, Turkish, Maronite or Armenian Cypriots.
What should binds them together is their homeland, the island of Cyprus.All are Cypriots .
Since Cyprus was proclaimed an independent state on August 16 1960 there has been conflict wholly attributed to the reluctance of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots, who lived alongside each other in harmony for hundreds of years,to embrace their new born nation, However, two of the many things that led to the deterioration of peace and harmony should be highlighted. The first, Enosis with Greece and the subsequent T/C plan of taksim was engraved in the minds of the Turkish-Cypriots, in their efforts to defend against Cyprus becoming a part of Greece.
Had the Cypriot people, on becoming independent, embraced their true homeland in its embryonic state, there would have been no inter communal strife, no Turkish invasion and occupation of the northern parts, no settlers amounting to thousands and no prospect of any future conflict.
All that I'm saying is that the connection of Cyprus to Greece has never been of any benefit to the people of Cyprus. No one suggested that the Greek or Turkish Cypriots should abandon either their culture, religion or language, but prioritize the establishment of their new born nation, the island of Cyprus.
Greek Island Girl, I'm not lecturing anyone, merely stating an opinion just as you and anyone else does.

[Oceanside50]

Lady, the Cypriot people are the natives of Cyprus, they have a right to be just Cypriots .

You should have said GREEK CYPRIOTS are the NATIVES. Others came by invasion and carried out ethnic cleansing of these native people.

I have never denied the fact that there are Greek Cypriots, Turkish, Maronite or Armenian Cypriots.
What should binds them together is their homeland, the island of Cyprus.All are Cypriots .
Since Cyprus was proclaimed an independent state on August 16 1960 there has been conflict wholly attributed to the reluctance of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots, who lived alongside each other in harmony for hundreds of years,to embrace their new born nation, However, two of the many things that led to the deterioration of peace and harmony should be highlighted. The first, Enosis with Greece and the subsequent T/C plan of taksim was engraved in the minds of the Turkish-Cypriots, in their efforts to defend against Cyprus becoming a part of Greece.
Had the Cypriot people, on becoming independent, embraced their true homeland in its embryonic state, there would have been no inter communal strife, no Turkish invasion and occupation of the northern parts, no settlers amounting to thousands and no prospect of any future conflict.
All that I'm saying is that the connection of Cyprus to Greece has never been of any benefit to the people of Cyprus. No one suggested that the Greek or Turkish Cypriots should abandon either their culture, religion or language, but prioritize the establishment of their new born nation, the island of Cyprus.
Greek Island Girl, I'm not lecturing anyone, merely stating an opinion just as you and anyone else does.

If...ifs...too many ifs in between, you can't go from one day to the next embracing different ideologies..they lived side by side up until the Brits placed a wedge between them,through their divide and conquer theme...I do agree that a serious reapproacment needs to take place,now,before greater powers impose their will again...I think through a serious campaign from both sides(mostly Greek Cypriots)both could get exactly what their asking for...

[Oceanside50]

I'm convinced beyond doubt that the "Greece connection" has contributed monumentally to the state of Cyprus's economy

Well, that's your prejudices speaking again.

As for exits from the Euro - forget that! This is the birth of a new currency, that so far has been climbing and climbing and there is no leaving having made the (legal) commitment. When there is no more to reduce, iron-out, "equalise"; then the work can begin on the ideology behind its founding. A United States of Europe.

Here is the problem with the disastrous €urozone experiment in a nutshell....

Merkel says ECB would raise rates if looking at Germany alone

There have been some (perhaps unguarded, perhaps not) comments from German chancellor Angela Merkel about European Central Bank interest rates.

As has become apparent in recent days, the markets have become increasingly convinced the ECB will cut rates at its meeting next week. Disappointing economic figures, not least from Germany itself, in the last few days have only reinforced that view.

But speaking at a savings banking conference Merkel said, in what observers said were unusually outspoken comments, that the ECB would have to raise rates if it were looking at Germany alone. In what could be seen as an acknowledgement that the one size fits all approach to completely divergent economies within the eurozone, she said (courtesy Reuters):

The ECB is in a difficult position. For Germany it would actually have to raise rates slightly at the moment, but for other countries it would have to do even more for more liquidity to be made available.

The problem with a single currency is that we are forced into a 'one-size-fits-all' zone whereas in reality the economies (of say Cyprus and Germany) require vastly different conditions to control/stimulate them....

But there has to be a plan for that too, otherwise the Eu is stuck in a no growth economies...what's the plan?...on the other hand Japan has been pumping Yen into their economy for years and they're still in the cellar when it comes to growth..another point is through all these crises in the Eu, ie Cyprus,Greece,Ireland , not one bond has been bought by the Eu...

[cyprusgrump]

But there has to be a plan for that too, otherwise the Eu is stuck in a no growth economies...what's the plan?...on the other hand Japan has been pumping Yen into their economy for years and they're still in the cellar when it comes to growth..another point is through all these crises in the Eu, ie Cyprus,Greece,Ireland , not one bond has been bought by the Eu...

I guess the plan is (perhaps may always have been) to force us together in one big Euro-Superstate with central government in Brussels and all countries equal...

Of course, we would lose our sovereignty to the unelected in Brussels and can wave bye-bye to any wealth from the oil and gas reserves because it wouldn't be ours any more... it would be shared out with everybody else...

...that which is not pissed away on vanity projects or given to Turkey so they can join up and share in it of course....

[Get Real!]

Cyprus should exit the EU and let Turkey take her place so that I can sit back withy my popcorn and watch the battle royal.

[claret21]

Cyprus should exit the EU and let Turkey take her place so that I can sit back withy my popcorn and watch the battle royal.

Which battle ?

[Get Real!]

Cyprus should exit the EU and let Turkey take her place so that I can sit back withy my popcorn and watch the battle royal.

Which battle ?

That of 80 million Muslims with a combined IQ nearing that of Bagis, moving next door to all the clever Europeans... threatening, blackmailing, and just being an utter Ottoman nuisance!

[claret21]

Cyprus should exit the EU and let Turkey take her place so that I can sit back withy my popcorn and watch the battle royal.

Which battle ?

That of 80 million Muslims with a combined IQ nearing that of Bagis, moving next door to all the clever Europeans... threatening, blackmailing, and just being an utter Ottoman nuisance!

It looks rather unlikely that Cyprus would exit the EU, perhaps the EZ.
Also unlikely that Turkey would be admitted into the EU judging by the objections of France and others within the EU.

[Get Real!]

Cyprus should exit the EU and let Turkey take her place so that I can sit back withy my popcorn and watch the battle royal.

Which battle ?

That of 80 million Muslims with a combined IQ nearing that of Bagis, moving next door to all the clever Europeans... threatening, blackmailing, and just being an utter Ottoman nuisance!

It looks rather unlikely that Cyprus would exit the EU, perhaps the EZ.
Also unlikely that Turkey would be admitted into the EU judging by the objections of France and others within the EU.

How I wish Cyprus would exit thereby eliminating Europe's excuse for not allowing Turkey... at the very least Erdogan would be infuriated, Europe divided and the shit will hit the fan.

You know, Ottomans are like rust in a car… once it goes in there’s no coming out!