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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby Get Real! » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:22 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Polite? I don't know about that. I think of Aussies as being people who are not afraid to speak their mind, regardless of whether this will offend others or not. I don't really think of it as being a negative characteristic, but in my view (and experience) British people are more likely to say what they think people want to hear - hence their famous politeness and reserve.

That depends mate… in the business environment up in those pretty skyscrapers of the major cities of Australia there’s plenty of superficiality I assure you!

Superficiality is a social class property… where there’s money it exists and where there’s poverty you’ll find honesty.
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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby CBBB » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:23 pm

Paphitis wrote:Yes they usually will tell you what's on their mind and they will usually do it politely. It is the way they are. They usually don't mean any offence. And at the same time they would be happy to buy you a bear. They are usually a positive, happy and very laid back people and not that big on formalities.


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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:28 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Polite? I don't know about that. I think of Aussies as being people who are not afraid to speak their mind, regardless of whether this will offend others or not. I don't really think of it as being a negative characteristic, but in my view (and experience) British people are more likely to say what they think people want to hear - hence their famous politeness and reserve.

That depends mate… in the business environment up in those pretty skyscrapers of the major cities of Australia there’s plenty of superficiality I assure you!


Yes mate there is a lot of superficiality as well. Business and Trade is huge and in the corporate environment I am sure you will find some nasty individuals. That is a universal thing, but it is those superficial people that run those businesses that give the people an opportunity to improve their lifestyle if they think that money equates to lifestyle which it doesn't have to.

There is also an underworld, crime, and lots of cocaine.
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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby Get Real! » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:40 pm

Yeah, it’s the same all over the world… how do you get others to put their money into your bank account?

Well, it’s basically done by talking shit all day!

It’s a fine art practiced by all white collar workers 40 hours p/week. :lol:
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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:43 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Polite? I don't know about that. I think of Aussies as being people who are not afraid to speak their mind, regardless of whether this will offend others or not. I don't really think of it as being a negative characteristic, but in my view (and experience) British people are more likely to say what they think people want to hear - hence their famous politeness and reserve.

That depends mate… in the business environment up in those pretty skyscrapers of the major cities of Australia there’s plenty of superficiality I assure you!

Superficiality is a social class property… where there’s money it exists and where there’s poverty you’ll find honesty.


Probably true, mate. I spent two years working in Qatar and rubbed shoulders at work with a lot of Australians and Canadians, and came away with a positive image of both. However, the common denominator was that they were all people with many years' hands-on (and I mean getting them greasy in the process) work experience in the natural gas industry, so these were pretty down-to-earth types.
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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:21 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Polite? I don't know about that. I think of Aussies as being people who are not afraid to speak their mind, regardless of whether this will offend others or not. I don't really think of it as being a negative characteristic, but in my view (and experience) British people are more likely to say what they think people want to hear - hence their famous politeness and reserve.

That depends mate… in the business environment up in those pretty skyscrapers of the major cities of Australia there’s plenty of superficiality I assure you!

Superficiality is a social class property… where there’s money it exists and where there’s poverty you’ll find honesty.


Probably true, mate. I spent two years working in Qatar and rubbed shoulders at work with a lot of Australians and Canadians, and came away with a positive image of both. However, the common denominator was that they were all people with many years' hands-on (and I mean getting them greasy in the process) work experience in the natural gas industry, so these were pretty down-to-earth types.


Aussies a pretty cool and laid back. You will see this from those hands on guys in Qatar that would be very wealthy mind you, earning lots on the rigs, and elsewhere.

I reckon they are similar to Cypriots in that regard.

But there does seem to be a lot of superficiality amongst Cypriots in Australia which I do not see amongst most Australians or in Cyprus. It is something that is noticeable.

Cypriots in Cyprus and Cypriots in the diaspora seem to be completely different from my experiences.
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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:51 am

Paphitis wrote:Aussies a pretty cool and laid back. You will see this from those hands on guys in Qatar that would be very wealthy mind you, earning lots on the rigs, and elsewhere.

I reckon they are similar to Cypriots in that regard.

:lol: This one's for you Paphitis...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7aa_1366161443
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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby Milo » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:35 am

To get back to the Cyprus ' Property Boom' :roll: :roll: which passed early 2008 I understand that prices will be affected pretty soon by the MoU which is about to lay out the developer loans and problems now associated with well known bad practices by the Banks, the developers toy loans and the shoddy and fraudulent scams associated with the bad building practices allowed to build up in the boom years, many Cypriots are affected as well as Foriegn purchasers, of course many of us shouted about this for years, the equally shambolic and slow justice system supposedly there to protect the victims, makes new rules as it goes along in favour of developers and certain banks like Alpha now in trouble in Londons High courts! Plus at its head we have the AG who just got his son off a serious prosecution.

Anyway I digress, the rumour mill has toxic debts unserviced by developers at 6 billion, a registry has been set up this week by UK parliament to defend those UK purchasers who have been left high and dry, I understand dealt with at a high level.

This of course isn't everyone, but it's a big deal and was ALWAYS going to go off bang! The economic situation in Cyprus now lays it raw, or will do shortly....this adds to the woes of those wishing to sell decent builds like myself, we crawled all over our build from grass to roof, shouting orders getting it done professionally and refused everyone brought on the job that didn't have qualifications, to that end we got a finished product to be proud off, we had one bad apple who did us, but we got him out of business fast by filming a incident when he took cash and sent it off to relevant depts :lol: you have to remind yourself that purchases were made by people who bought off developers, builders etc who were in the main local and in some cases sold them down the river, properties are falling down ravines as we speak, no monies returned, plannings never gained but lied about thru so called lawyers in cohoots with brown enveloped developers have disappeared to other countries leaving I know ten properties in one case alone, condemned to be knocked down even though owners have bought paid in full and have been living in then now for over Six years, now can't even sell them and are running up more bills to get justice or eviction lifted at their own expense three years long now! It's shameless and disgraceful and Cyprus property doesn't deserve a good recovery unless we have decent people in place and brand new regulations and proper prosecutions and jail terms for those that caused billions of euros worth of complete greed and utter misery!

The property boom just isn't! The values are crashing, we didn't pay over odds as we owned the land and have the deeds, but many did from 2004 onwards! They will not recover their money in the short term, or maybe for five years to possibly ten years and that only with safeguards and relevant insurance policies in place in case of future bad practices for purchasers in future along with of course the biggest problem gone away with, and that is to in future no completions without Title Deeds! That is the only way the construction industry and property sales could ever begin again there is no faith in it, it's just dead in the water!

I know of a few who have managed house property swaps with UK owners, we would only accept payment outside of Cyprus banks as well, no mortgages in Cyprus are available, so if you equate few buyers since the crisis, less Foriegn purchasers falling year on year in fact down to smallfigures ( all available if you care to see ) and many unable to service their own mortgages, unsold developer stock left empty for over five years and crumbling, I have to ask ' where TF is the propert boom?
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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:41 am

The only recent positive development I’ve seen pertaining to properties is that as of yesterday banks have began to announce decreases in home loans in the region of 0.5%.
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Re: Cyprus Property BOOM ...

Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:46 am

Milo wrote:To get back to the Cyprus ' Property Boom' :roll: :roll: which passed early 2008 I understand that prices will be affected pretty soon by the MoU which is about to lay out the developer loans and problems now associated with well known bad practices by the Banks, the developers toy loans and the shoddy and fraudulent scams associated with the bad building practices allowed to build up in the boom years, many Cypriots are affected as well as Foriegn purchasers, of course many of us shouted about this for years, the equally shambolic and slow justice system supposedly there to protect the victims, makes new rules as it goes along in favour of developers and certain banks like Alpha now in trouble in Londons High courts! Plus at its head we have the AG who just got his son off a serious prosecution.

Anyway I digress, the rumour mill has toxic debts unserviced by developers at 6 billion, a registry has been set up this week by UK parliament to defend those UK purchasers who have been left high and dry, I understand dealt with at a high level.

This of course isn't everyone, but it's a big deal and was ALWAYS going to go off bang! The economic situation in Cyprus now lays it raw, or will do shortly....this adds to the woes of those wishing to sell decent builds like myself, we crawled all over our build from grass to roof, shouting orders getting it done professionally and refused everyone brought on the job that didn't have qualifications, to that end we got a finished product to be proud off, we had one bad apple who did us, but we got him out of business fast by filming a incident when he took cash and sent it off to relevant depts :lol: you have to remind yourself that purchases were made by people who bought off developers, builders etc who were in the main local and in some cases sold them down the river, properties are falling down ravines as we speak, no monies returned, plannings never gained but lied about thru so called lawyers in cohoots with brown enveloped developers have disappeared to other countries leaving I know ten properties in one case alone, condemned to be knocked down even though owners have bought paid in full and have been living in then now for over Six years, now can't even sell them and are running up more bills to get justice or eviction lifted at their own expense three years long now! It's shameless and disgraceful and Cyprus property doesn't deserve a good recovery unless we have decent people in place and brand new regulations and proper prosecutions and jail terms for those that caused billions of euros worth of complete greed and utter misery!

The property boom just isn't! The values are crashing, we didn't pay over odds as we owned the land and have the deeds, but many did from 2004 onwards! They will not recover their money in the short term, or maybe for five years to possibly ten years and that only with safeguards and relevant insurance policies in place in case of future bad practices for purchasers in future along with of course the biggest problem gone away with, and that is to in future no completions without Title Deeds! That is the only way the construction industry and property sales could ever begin again there is no faith in it, it's just dead in the water!

I know of a few who have managed house property swaps with UK owners, we would only accept payment outside of Cyprus banks as well, no mortgages in Cyprus are available, so if you equate few buyers since the crisis, less Foriegn purchasers falling year on year in fact down to smallfigures ( all available if you care to see ) and many unable to service their own mortgages, unsold developer stock left empty for over five years and crumbling, I have to ask ' where TF is the propert boom?


Excellent post!

I was talking to some people at the weekend...

They were telling me about two apartments that were built and put on sale for €90,000.

The 'purchaser' managed to get the bank's valuer to value them for €130,000 each (for a consideration of course) and got a mortgage for €260,000 to cover the purchase...

Not one single payment has been made on the mortgage - the bank has now repossessed them... In the current market they might be worth €70,000 each...
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