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[Maximus]

Why would you want to ruin the world’s biggest snake and reptile park?

I say leave it and charge an entrance fee!

Nobody’s got the money for anything else right now.

Thats one idea but it would attract billions of investment, jobs and revenue dont you think? both sides would benefit?

After 40 years of decay nothing is salvageable by today’s standards so the wrecking/demolishing fees alone would be astronomical.

Its called venture capital billions would be invested in such a project the returns if planned correctly would be fantastic.

so what is the project which will attract billions in investment and make fantastic returns? It's easy to open your mouth and just speak but you are not selling anything [to me] like that.

[Maximus]

VP there is absolutely no goodwill from Turkey towards the ROC. Turkey is now threatening Italy because of its involvement in gas exploration off Cyprus.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-310866- ... ngers.html

I wonder how long the huge FIAT factory will stay in Turkey if these threats become reality.
Hey, they could move it to friendly EU Greece or even Cyprus.

Its all political manovering nothing more. I think radical decisions have to be made form both sides to take on a venture that proves more can be achieved united than divided if it doesnt work then we will all know that union is just a pipe dream.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, talking of ventures which have so far amounted to pipe dreams and political maneuvering. Here is a radical decision you can make to get started.

> A turkish military withdrawal from Cyprus which would save/make her circ $1 billion per year.
> All the squatters relinquish their counterfeit title and start paying rent to the original owners/heirs. Legitimate Turkish Cypriots will be sorted out. EU nationals can stay and work, foreign business's and nationals get a temporary work permit. All start paying tax and social contributions to the RoC. The embargo on the north will automatically be lifted when all ports come back into the RoC's control.
> Turkey can invest in the gas pipeline to Cyprus. Utilizing her economies of scale as well as being close to the source, she can buy it real cheap, in very large quantities too and do what she wants with it. a small premium will be added per unit sold until adequate compensation has been received and to help rebuild Famagusta.
> Both country's open their ports and airspace to each other bolstering and growing their respective economy's and the quality of life of their citizens.
> The RoC (Cyprus) is a democratic EU member state and Turkey is 60km across the sea, to her north.
> the mountain paintings come down and the 'TTTT' along with it's symbolism's must be repudiated and banished to the trash bin of history.
> The RoC receives a huge peace dividend.

[Viewpoint]

Opening and benefiting from Maraş would be far easier but it appears your sole aim is to take control of the whole island not try and promote steps that would help both sides understand and see union is far better than division.

Lets play along with your offer and address each point;

The demand is the Turkish army just ups sticks and leaves.....what happens with your Greek and GC army? what about your 100.000 armed reservists? who will provide security? who will stop the hoards of people storming to claim their old properties? who will prevent the mayhem? who will provide guarantees?

[boulio]

I don't think anyone is going to storm anything as you've witnessed today with the supposed bank runs today that went smooth.turkush withdrawal can be gradual dosent have to be overnight.security can be eventually filled by eu/un/NATO forces.

[Maximus]

Re-opening Maraş?

Why would you want to ruin the world’s biggest snake and reptile park?

I say leave it and charge an entrance fee!

Nobody’s got the money for anything else right now.

Thats one idea but it would attract billions of investment, jobs and revenue dont you think? both sides would benefit?

After 40 years of decay nothing is salvageable by today’s standards so the wrecking/demolishing fees alone would be astronomical.

Its called venture capital billions would be invested in such a project the returns if planned correctly would be fantastic.

so what is the project which will attract billions in investment and make fantastic returns? It's easy to open your mouth and just speak but you are not selling anything [to me] like that.

Opening and benefiting from Maraş would be far easier

Here is the total combined substance (highlighted in green) of your contribution to this thread. There are too many post from you but yet to tell anyone what this project is that will attract billions in investment and make fantastic returns in the occupied areas. How is this benefitting and who will benefit?

stop talking hollow sh*t and go home VP.

[repulsewarrior]

Opening and benefiting from Maraş would be far easier but it appears your sole aim is to take control of the whole island not try and promote steps that would help both sides understand and see union is far better than division.

Lets play along with your offer and address each point;

The demand is the Turkish army just ups sticks and leaves.....what happens with your Greek and GC army? what about your 100.000 armed reservists? who will provide security? who will stop the hoards of people storming to claim their old properties? who will prevent the mayhem? who will provide guarantees?

...you see, vp, this kind of talk has to be thrown out the window. why do you call Famagusta differently?

; and then you have the gall to suggest a venture.

[Lordo]

rw your tolerance levels are at an all time law. in cyprus there is two official languages which means just about every place has two names. magusa=famagusta varosi=maras what is the big deal, i don't see any problem.

i hope all our gc friends are not too adversely effected by the current events and hope that life gets back to normal as soon as possible.

[Maximus]

we will have an authoritative nightmare which will lead us further to destruction. really you want checks and balances so a Turkish oligarchy apartheid system can flourish.

here is an example;

who will stop the hoards of people storming to claim their old properties?

You recognize that you are keeping people from their homes and property by the force of arms and want to stop them from reclaiming their rightful title. (check?)

what happens with your Greek and GC army? what about your 100.000 armed reservists? who will provide security?

You also want them (which further proves you are not one of them) to give up their rights to defend themselves (balance?). who would trust those that do not recognize the errors in their ways but think they can 'force' a union and pseudo peace. This is the devils work and it is all in the detail. Get a reality check and repent before its too late.

[repulsewarrior]

as far as i know, varosha, amoxosto, and famagusta, are Cypriot names. maras is a new invention of "Turkish" minds...

..."returning maras", in the least, is an insensitive phrase; and in my opinion written in malice: the work of a hard working not so smart troll.

i am hopeful for you too Lordo, elections and bursting bubbles seem to come around and go around, especially when pictures are painted rosy it seems; soon, soon enough we will say together asiktir, to Turkey. 50 years of Turkish Foreign Policy culminated with the Annan Plan and failed, Cyprus still pulls together, Cypriots, Greek and Turkish, but more importantly people for the Universal Principals that makes us as beings Human, not "Greeks", not "Turks", still exist.

[Lordo]

as far as i know maras has always been maras since the ottoman times. they did change some of the names of the villages certainly for that reason.

when it comes to saying assikdir to turkey tcs are ahead of you but only a small proportion at the moment. not even a dog will bite the hand that feeds it. peace is what we need first. tcs need to stand on their own feet and then we will be able to say exactly that to turkey rw. now it is a little premature though.