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[Paphitis]

Obama came to visit the new USraeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Certainly did not visit for Turkey's stake.

Why I reckon the USraelis and Obama are having a good laugh.

[Kikapu]

This thread is so funny.

Wow the Israelis are so funny taking the piss out of Erdogan and Turkey for the non apology for any actions that may have led to the loss of life.

Basically what they are saying is that Israeli did not take any actions that led to any loss of life but it was the passengers actions of brutally attacking the Israeli soldiers that led to loss of life.

The way this is going, Israel is going to be asking for compensation from Turkey.

Jees the Israelis are so clever!

Paphitis, welcome back my friend,

Erdogan is trying his best to convince anyone who's willing to listens to him that Israel apologised to him and he goes as far as saying that President Obama was a witness to the phone call when Israel "apologised".

If Israel had any intentions of really apologising to Erdogan, he would have done it in public and in written form where there would be no question of it's text. Israel did not do that and Erdogan accepted over the telephone what ever Obama told him to accept from Netanyahu, even if it was a non apology apology, which is exactly what he got. Of course, Erdogan wants to portray the non apology apology into an apology by repeating it as many times as possible to convince people so that he doesn't lose face around the world by accepting a non apology apology from Israel over a phone call, no less.

[SKI-preo]

To signomi en to mison shesimo

Saying sorry is only as good as being half shat upon.

[Viewpoint]

ho my god you moronic imbeciles are still harping on about a non apology apology and the even more stupid group are supporting such shit, what fking sheep you people are. The apology be it red blue upside down has been made and accepted so get over yourselves....you are only clutching at very thin straws trying to cover up your stupidity and ignorance in this matter. The bigger picture is what this apology has open the door to Turkish Israeli American cooperation in the region...looks like the GCs are not only fucked by the EU by they are speedily heading for a fucking from Israel who will choose to work closer with Turkey for mutual benefit. So all this bickering and moronic comments about whether it was or wasnt an apology of a certain degree is only fodder for those stupid enough to be following even more stupidity spouting such shit..

[Paphitis]

Well then VP, why don't you put all this to the test?

Turkey should violate the Blockade again and let us see whether the Israelis intercept and board your vessels.

Naturally they will board and if the passengers on board begin attacking their soldiers once again, then the Israelis will let it go only as far as when they begin to feel that their soldiers are in grave danger. That is when they will open fire and more than likely, more Turks will be killed, and Israel will once again apologize for "any actions that may have led to loss of life". It is a rubbish non apology which means Israel will do the same again and again.

You're a fool to believe that Israel takes Turkey seriously. Why would it mate? They are the 53rd State of the US.

One more question! Out of the dozens (maybe hundreds) of boats that violated the Israeli Blocakade over the years and were boarded by IDF, why was it that only the Turkish Vessel had problems, injuries and loss of life? There were Greek Vessels as well, and the IDF intercepted those without incident.

I will answer this for you. When you are surrounded by IDF, have helicopters over your head and naval vessels on Port, Starboard and Stern, you have little choice but to cooperate. The Boarding Party NEVER had any intention of hurting a fly. Their intentions were to seize the boat and sail it to Ashdod where the cargo can be inspected.

But when you attack the Boarding Party with the kind of brutality we saw from some Turks on the MAVI Marmara, then the Boarding Party has every right to defend itself. Such a shame that people lost their lives over it, but I bet Israel was not prepared to lose any of its own on that day.

Here is some footage of what you guys did as the Israelis were boarding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI

Watch the video closely and tell me who the instigators were and who is primarily responsible for the loss of life.

[Paphitis]

Forgot to mention the fact that the Israeli Navy attempted to contact the MAVI Marmara on a few occasions to inform the Captain that he MUST change course for Ashdod and the Captain failed to respond or comply.

This would be enough for most to respond and the majority of Aid Ships do in fact cooperate when intercepted and are as a result NEVER boarded whilst underway. The Greek Aid Ship was not boarded by the IDF.

So it is obvious that the IDF never even wanted to board the MAVI. Sending a boarding party is the last resort.

Therefore, there was never any intention on the part of the Isarelis to kill anyone.

So once again, tell me VP, who is responsible for the loss of life?

[Maximus]

Erdogan and Davutuglu are responsible for not preventing the NGO sailing to gaza, despite the many warnings from the Israelis.

They dragged their asses across the med, prepared for a confrontation and it would have made no difference if the IDF waited for the flotilla to enter Israels EEZ before bording it, the outcome would have been the same.

Those 'activists' were cruising for a bruising in this instance and they started the fight. the Israelis just kicked back, using paintball guns first.

[repulsewarrior]

Erdogan and Davutuglu are responsible for not preventing the NGO sailing to gaza, despite the many warnings from the Israelis.

They dragged their asses across the med, prepared for a confrontation and it would have made no difference if the IDF waited for the flotilla to enter Israels EEZ before bording it, the outcome would have been the same.

Those 'activists' were cruising for a bruising in this instance and they started the fight. the Israelis just kicked back, using paintball guns first.

...this was not the first flotilla to Gaza, go back, and follow the progress to this one, then judge for yourself, the piracy, and who hijacked who.

...this is not the first time that Israel boarded ships intent on breaking the blockade, ask yourself, why was this one different?

[Maximus]

Erdogan and Davutuglu are responsible for not preventing the NGO sailing to gaza, despite the many warnings from the Israelis.

They dragged their asses across the med, prepared for a confrontation and it would have made no difference if the IDF waited for the flotilla to enter Israels EEZ before bording it, the outcome would have been the same.

Those 'activists' were cruising for a bruising in this instance and they started the fight. the Israelis just kicked back, using paintball guns first.

...this was not the first flotilla to Gaza, go back, and follow the progress to this one, then judge for yourself, the piracy, and who hijacked who.

...this is not the first time that Israel boarded ships intent on breaking the blockade, ask yourself, why was this one different?

what is your take on it RW?

[repulsewarrior]

one Gaza flotilla followed the other, and went quite successfully, the group wanted to grow, while Turkey offered her help and they accepted.

...at which point, Turkey became the prime mover, the rest is history.