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[Kikapu]

Not at all.

"Israel's prime minister has apologised to Turkey for "any errors that could have led to loss of life" during the 2010 commando raid on an aid flotilla that tried to breach the Gaza blockade."

That's very clever wordplay. He's apologized for "any errors" which led to the deaths. But IDF didn't make "any errors". They defended themselves and killed those who deliberately attacked them, efficiently.

(Actually, I do feel sorry for those individuals who were set up for this by the Turkish government.)

Actually it was more clever than that GIG. In the context the so called "apology" was written, one can read it as that Israel was in fact apologising to themselves for any errors they made. Secondly, the phrase that was used also allows Israel not to accept responsibility for the deaths when it states "any errors that could have led to loss of life". In another words, as far as the Israelis are concerned, there were no deaths, ONLY it could have led to loss of life.

Words do have meanings, but don't expect illiterates like VP, Lordo and MR-from-NG to figure it out. All they read was the word "apologised" and swallowed it.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Not at all.

"Israel's prime minister has apologised to Turkey for "any errors that could have led to loss of life" during the 2010 commando raid on an aid flotilla that tried to breach the Gaza blockade."

That's very clever wordplay. He's apologized for "any errors" which led to the deaths. But IDF didn't make "any errors". They defended themselves and killed those who deliberately attacked them, efficiently.

(Actually, I do feel sorry for those individuals who were set up for this by the Turkish government.)

Actually it was more clever than that GIG. In the context the so called "apology" was written, one can read it as that Israel was in fact apologising to themselves for any errors they made. Secondly, the phrase that was used also allows Israel not to accept responsibility for the deaths when it states "any errors that could have led to loss of life". In another words, as far as the Israelis are concerned, there were no deaths, ONLY it could have led to loss of life.

Words do have meanings, but don't expect illiterates like VP, Lordo and MR-from-NG to figure it out. All they read was the word "apologised" and swallowed it.

Top marks for close reading and textual analysis, Kikapu.

[Viewpoint]

You people are so pathetic playing with words to try and excuse your own stupidity in wrongly claiming that Israel would never apologize to Turkey, the fact that Israel has accepted to pay compensation to those killed is proof enough that your stupid comments about the wording is a pathetic attempt at trying to excuse your own stupidity. As for Erdoğan going to Palestine, why not wait for April when it is scheduled because you only reconfirm your stupidity when the world press cover the event but according to you ignorant morons it must be photo montage. Do any of you actually care or support the plight of the Palestinians? isn't Erdoğan doing what every leader should be doing trying to help these people to a better life?

The events of the past few weeks must make you Turk haters feel sick to the stomach especially the biggest shit spouter Kikapooo, who continues to get things totally wrong again and again...EU solutions...South Cyprus economy and now the Israeli apology and compensation payment...whats next Israeli Turkish cooperation over natural resources??? Kikapoooo you will end up in hospital soon.

[Nikitas]

Next week the Greek and Israeli governments will hold joint cabinet meetings in Athens, it was announced today after a telephone conversation between the two premiers.

Fact which many tend to forget in this forum, neither Turkey nor Israel have the technological knowhow, means or financial power to exploit undersea resources. Whatever can be pumped out will also be subject to the cost competition from shale gas which is in something of a glut in the USA. Natural gas right now is selling at a historic low in America thanks to gas fracking technology.

On the energy front it is interesting that Turkey has committed to building five pressurised water reactors just as the new thorium reactors will be coming on line. The thorium technology is cheaper and safer than conventional techology. It seems that once a nation is marked as a sucker the international cartels will just not give it an even break. Especially if it has ambitions that far outpace its abilities.

Erdo will go to Palestine, as did Davut, and the outcome will differ how from the visits of all previous leaders who visited the area? Chirac went there, so did Blair, and others to stress the plight of the Palestinians etc etc. So far the results are zero and most likely will remain zero after Erdo passes through. His attempts to exploit the Arab spring, where the populations are more islam oriented came to very little.

[Me Ed]

as to the next flotila, you may mock the bravery and courage of others my little friend but little is what you will always remain.

That's great Lordo, the apology has obviously given you Turks the green light to organise more flotillas.

I await with anticipation...

[Kikapu]

Not at all.

"Israel's prime minister has apologised to Turkey for "any errors that could have led to loss of life" during the 2010 commando raid on an aid flotilla that tried to breach the Gaza blockade."

That's very clever wordplay. He's apologized for "any errors" which led to the deaths. But IDF didn't make "any errors". They defended themselves and killed those who deliberately attacked them, efficiently.

(Actually, I do feel sorry for those individuals who were set up for this by the Turkish government.)

Actually it was more clever than that GIG. In the context the so called "apology" was written, one can read it as that Israel was in fact apologising to themselves for any errors they made. Secondly, the phrase that was used also allows Israel not to accept responsibility for the deaths when it states "any errors that could have led to loss of life". In another words, as far as the Israelis are concerned, there were no deaths, ONLY it could have led to loss of life.

Words do have meanings, but don't expect illiterates like VP, Lordo and MR-from-NG to figure it out. All they read was the word "apologised" and swallowed it.

Top marks for close reading and textual analysis, Kikapu.

Let me add one more thing GIG, because I know illiterates like VP, Lordo and MR-from-NG can't figure out what an apology is. In fact, Erdogan had the same problem, because what Israel gave as an "apology" was far less than what Erdogan had demanded for the last 2-3 years, which is why he had to convince the following also that this was the best deal he was ever going to get and that it was going to be every man for himself as far as the Gaza blockade went. Basically he told those he called, I'm backed against the wall by the USA to accept this offer despite what I said for the last 2.3 years.

Approval from both Palestinian governments

Davutoğlu also said that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan called both the Hamas prime minister of Gaza and the leader of the Palestinian Authority to get their approval before accepting Israel's formal apology for the Mavi Marmara raid. He explained that the conversations took place moments before Netanyahu's call. He added that Erdoğan also called Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi and Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati. "The tripartite meeting started afterward. Netanyahu began, then passed the phone to Obama. I did not count the minutes, but the call lasted between 20 and 30 minutes," Davutoğlu said.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/with-i ... sCatID=352

[Viewpoint]

An apology is an apology the level of the apology was accepted by all side concerned the topping on the apology and very important to those families that suffered agreed to pay compensation which some families have agreed to donate to the Palatinians and all you do as your contribution is play with words to nurse your stupid egos...you are pathetic morons.

[Get Real!]

An apology is an apology the level of the apology was accepted by all side concerned the topping on the apology and very important to those families that suffered agreed to pay compensation which some families have agreed to donate to the Palatinians and all you do as your contribution is play with words to nurse your stupid egos...you are pathetic morons.

The Palatinians!

[Kikapu]

An apology is an apology the level of the apology was accepted by all side concerned the topping on the apology and very important to those families that suffered agreed to pay compensation which some families have agreed to donate to the Palatinians and all you do as your contribution is play with words to nurse your stupid egos...you are pathetic morons.

Looks like others also believe that Erdogan has no convictions.

YUSUF KANLI
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March/25/2013

Changing conjecture

Flip-flop politics was at work last week again. Was it not the Turkish premier who compared Zionism to fascism the other day in Vienna? Was it not he who declared the other day with his eyes glaring like pieces of red-hot coals that Turkey would never forgive the murder of civilian Turks by the Israelis? Was it not the much-learned foreign minister, amid hallucinations of being the top imam in Sunni Islam, saying that Israel was a lawless country? Now Turkey is the good friend of Israel again.
It was great, of course, that with the “mediation” of U.S. President Barack Obama, the premiers of Turkey and Israel agreed to leave behind their war of words. Yet, was there any change in essence in what the Israelis have been saying over the past three years since Israeli troops murdered eight Turkish citizens and one Turkish-American on board an aid ship in the international waters of the Mediterranean? No. Israelis were saying they regretted the deaths and apologized for any, if there were any, operational mistakes by their soldiers. They did not say and are not saying now that attacking a civilian aid ship in international waters and killing nine civilians are criminal acts.

As for Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, the Israel-bashing tactics were helpful in bolstering his political status so that he could be perceived as a regional leader on the Arab street. But the winds of the Arab Spring and the Syria situation devastated the “zero-problems” strategy of Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, a fundamental element of the government’s neo-Ottomanist designs. Now Turkey has “successfully” moved from “no problems” to “no friends” in the region as the new Muslim Brotherhood-dominated or dictated regimes are unhappy with the “elder brother” role Erdoğan wanted to play. Worse, in the international arena, the tactic of bashing Israel resulted merely in giving Erdoğan the image of a regional bully – not a desirable situation at all.

The Obama-brokered rapprochement appears to be the product of changing conjecture, not of policies, intentions, approaches or goals.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/changi ... sCatID=425

[Kikapu]

How much is a Turkish citizen's life worth for compensation?

Turkey and Israel will be soon discussing what compensation should be paid to the 9 Turks killed on the Mavi Marmara. How much is the life of a Turk worth? Well, I don't know, but Kurds as Turkish citizens, Erdogan had offered 125,000 TL ( $70,000 USD ) to each of the 35 Kurd killed by Turkish Jets in Uludere, even without an apology to the families from Erdogan for those killed by his own and the victims government. So I guess a life of a Turkish citizen is only worth $70,000 USD according to Erdogan. So, basically, Israel will be justified to offer the same amount since Erdogan had already established how much money is the worth of a Turkish Citizen. However, I think Israel will offer more, say about $100,000 USD instead, just to embarrass Erdogan, that the lives of Turkish Citizens are worth more to Israel than to Erdogan. I can't imagine Erdogan will say no to even if Israel offered to pay only $70,000 USD, because they will be very quick to say that that's what Erdogan had offeere to the Kurds.

Erdogan has really boxed himself in with the amount of compensation that should be paid to the families of those killed by Israel. Perhaps Israel will offer more money to the American/Turkish citizen. Much more. Had Erdogan accepted Israel's regret for the killings and compensation initially before the Uludere incident and before setting the value of a Turkish citizen's life at $70,000 USD, they may have gotten millions, just like the victims of the Pan Am bombing over Lockerbie by Libya where the families were given $10 Million USD per victim after years of delay. But now, $70,000 USD is what Erdogan believes is what a Turkish citizen's life is worth.