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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby kurupetos » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:50 am

Lit wrote:
Demonax wrote:It's easy to say that Anastasiades is to blame.


It certainly is. And of course I am going to blame him...he is the President is he not? All I know is we have Europe mad at us as well as Russia for not informing them about the levy. He certainly underestimated the public reaction to the plan he accepted. "Yes man" Nick wanted so much to be President, well now that he is....let the scorn begin.

BTW he should have stepped out of politics when he said YES to the Annan plan. Anyone who would accept such a plan has NO right to run this country!

What a disaster!

Utter rubbish. He has every right to be the president, if people vote him. :roll:
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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:56 am

Lit wrote:
Demonax wrote:It's easy to say that Anastasiades is to blame.


It certainly is. And of course I am going to blame him...he is the President is he not? All I know is we have Europe mad at us as well as Russia for not informing them about the levy. He certainly underestimated the public reaction to the plan he accepted. "Yes man" Nick wanted so much to be President, well now that he is....let the scorn begin.

BTW he should have stepped out of politics when he said YES to the Annan plan. Anyone who would accept such a plan has NO right to run this country!

What a disaster!


under whose's regime did the mess develop? Whoever came in after Chris toffee arse was holding a poisoned chalice...This has been a disaster in the making since (1) 2008.9 when government spending rocketed under commie AKEL lead by Chris Toffee Arse, (2) since the banks began to make massive and ultimately unsustainable loans on stupid terms to property developers and (c) since the bankers dived into Greece big time.....all this long before Nick took office - and I would point out ultimately the people chose him knowing his record on the evil A plan.
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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby danny1234 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:21 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Lit wrote:
Demonax wrote:It's easy to say that Anastasiades is to blame.


It certainly is. And of course I am going to blame him...he is the President is he not? All I know is we have Europe mad at us as well as Russia for not informing them about the levy. He certainly underestimated the public reaction to the plan he accepted. "Yes man" Nick wanted so much to be President, well now that he is....let the scorn begin.

BTW he should have stepped out of politics when he said YES to the Annan plan. Anyone who would accept such a plan has NO right to run this country!

What a disaster!


under whose's regime did the mess develop? Whoever came in after Chris toffee arse was holding a poisoned chalice...This has been a disaster in the making since (1) 2008.9 when government spending rocketed under commie AKEL lead by Chris Toffee Arse, (2) since the banks began to make massive and ultimately unsustainable loans on stupid terms to property developers and (c) since the bankers dived into Greece big time.....all this long before Nick took office - and I would point out ultimately the people chose him knowing his record on the evil A plan.


Total agreement with you on this one, Anastasiades has only been in the job a couple of weeks, this is the red idiot's mess and that is why he bailed out. Bet he got his money out first though.
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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:26 am

danny1234 wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Lit wrote:
Demonax wrote:It's easy to say that Anastasiades is to blame.


It certainly is. And of course I am going to blame him...he is the President is he not? All I know is we have Europe mad at us as well as Russia for not informing them about the levy. He certainly underestimated the public reaction to the plan he accepted. "Yes man" Nick wanted so much to be President, well now that he is....let the scorn begin.

BTW he should have stepped out of politics when he said YES to the Annan plan. Anyone who would accept such a plan has NO right to run this country!

What a disaster!


under whose's regime did the mess develop? Whoever came in after Chris toffee arse was holding a poisoned chalice...This has been a disaster in the making since (1) 2008.9 when government spending rocketed under commie AKEL lead by Chris Toffee Arse, (2) since the banks began to make massive and ultimately unsustainable loans on stupid terms to property developers and (c) since the bankers dived into Greece big time.....all this long before Nick took office - and I would point out ultimately the people chose him knowing his record on the evil A plan.


Total agreement with you on this one, Anastasiades has only been in the job a couple of weeks, this is the red idiot's mess and that is why he bailed out. Bet he got his money out first though.


Whoever is to blame for the need for a bailout (and I tend to agree with you both), the implementation of this bailout has been a total disaster for the president...

I’ve always believed that these high level meetings are merely an excuse for a free lunch and a photo opportunity… Surely all the details are worked out beforehand by senior civil servants?

I can’t believe that our president turned up at the meeting with a blank sheet of paper, was confronted with the ECB deal and then worked out the 6.7% and 10% figures on the back of a cigarette packet before returning to Cyprus and trying to push it through…

I think he and his fellow politicians (after removing their funds from the Cyprus banks I expect) had every intention of pushing through the haircut on bank accounts. Something changed their minds in-between and it wasn’t the very low-level protests in Nicosia or the run on other €urozone banks which never happened.

I suspect this story has a long way to go yet but the president is surely fatally damaged by it....
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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby CBBB » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:38 am

According to Schauble, Christophias agreed to the levy before he left office.

http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/36196

Can't find an English source.
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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby danny1234 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:35 am

Of course he did, he should be arrested and charged with treason against Cyprus.
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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby danny1234 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:38 am

cyprusgrump wrote:
danny1234 wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Lit wrote:
Demonax wrote:It's easy to say that Anastasiades is to blame.


It certainly is. And of course I am going to blame him...he is the President is he not? All I know is we have Europe mad at us as well as Russia for not informing them about the levy. He certainly underestimated the public reaction to the plan he accepted. "Yes man" Nick wanted so much to be President, well now that he is....let the scorn begin.

BTW he should have stepped out of politics when he said YES to the Annan plan. Anyone who would accept such a plan has NO right to run this country!

What a disaster!


under whose's regime did the mess develop? Whoever came in after Chris toffee arse was holding a poisoned chalice...This has been a disaster in the making since (1) 2008.9 when government spending rocketed under commie AKEL lead by Chris Toffee Arse, (2) since the banks began to make massive and ultimately unsustainable loans on stupid terms to property developers and (c) since the bankers dived into Greece big time.....all this long before Nick took office - and I would point out ultimately the people chose him knowing his record on the evil A plan.


Total agreement with you on this one, Anastasiades has only been in the job a couple of weeks, this is the red idiot's mess and that is why he bailed out. Bet he got his money out first though.


Whoever is to blame for the need for a bailout (and I tend to agree with you both), the implementation of this bailout has been a total disaster for the president...

I’ve always believed that these high level meetings are merely an excuse for a free lunch and a photo opportunity… Surely all the details are worked out beforehand by senior civil servants?

I can’t believe that our president turned up at the meeting with a blank sheet of paper, was confronted with the ECB deal and then worked out the 6.7% and 10% figures on the back of a cigarette packet before returning to Cyprus and trying to push it through…

I think he and his fellow politicians (after removing their funds from the Cyprus banks I expect) had every intention of pushing through the haircut on bank accounts. Something changed their minds in-between and it wasn’t the very low-level protests in Nicosia or the run on other €urozone banks which never happened.

I suspect this story has a long way to go yet but the president is surely fatally damaged by it....


CG, agree on that, he is damaged and will not survive this, Cyprus, sadly what ever it does now is finished banking wise, the foreigners will remove their money and the banking system will collapse, little Cyprus, a country I love will bring the Euro to its knees and that is a good thing, I just hope the ordinary man on the street doesn't suffer too much in the fallout.
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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:11 am

ECB gives Cyprus until Monday

BIG NEWS: The European Central Bank has announced that it has agreed to continue supplying emergency funding to Cyprus's banks until next Monday.

But if the bailout hasn't been agreed by then, the ECB would step away. It's quite an ultimatum.

Here's the statement:

The Governing Council of the European Central Bank decided to maintain the current level of Emergency Liquidity Assistance (ELA) until Monday, 25 March 2013

Thereafter, Emergency Liquidity Assistance (ELA) could only be considered if an EU/IMF programme is in place that would ensure the solvency of the concerned banks.


That sets Nicosia a clear deadline -- find €6bn by next week, in a way that satisfies the IMF and the European Union, or your banks collapse.
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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:41 am

CBBB wrote:According to Schauble, Christophias agreed to the levy before he left office.

http://www.sigmalive.com/news/politics/36196

Can't find an English source.


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Smegmalive wrote:As revealed by Tasos Telloglou newscast in the Sky, the Wolfgang Schaeuble document submitted to the Bundestag, according to which the measures taken last Friday at Euorgoup for Cyprus, agreed on November 23 with President Christofias. As suggested in the story, based on the document, it was agreed to reduce the banking sector until 2018 and contribution of depositors to support the banking sector.

The agreement of lenders with President Christofias pronoouse, according to reports, a contraction of the banking sector in Cyprus until 2018 and participation of shareholders, depositors and bondholders of Cypriot banks to the rescue of the economy with a single charge.

Aporriptoun categorically Stfanou-Loucaidou

The former government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou on the question and that was categorically denied any stage of negotiations such matter to the President of the Republic.

Categorically denied the information on statements to Sigmalive, the AKEL spokesman George Loucaidou, stressing that this is a huge lie and great provocation that is serving time in the initiators of.
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Re: cyprus president to blame

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:16 pm

The tide is turning for "Brave Cyprus".

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The upshot is that Cyprus has become a cautionary tale in the European Union's most failed and yet most consistent negotiation policy: bullying.

Cyprus is small and largely unable to fight back, either politically or financially. Its shabby treatment is consistent with how the EU has treated other countries when it perceives it has the upper hand, including Greece and Portugal. In each of those cases, some members of the EU have relied on cultural stereotypes to explain why financial negotiations had to turn against a country. In the case of Greece, leaders including Germany's Angela Merkel painted the country as full of lazy, pension-reliant, sun-worshipping Mediterranean gadabouts to justify the need for austerity. It's not just that it's offensive, it's false: before the crisis raised unemployment rates, you'll find that Greeks, Italians and Spaniards all worked longer far hours than Germans every week. Somehow those inconvenient facts get lost in the economic finger-pointing.

These EU rationales are unflatteringly tribal, and ill befit a monetary union that is supposed to be sophisticated and rational. The German intelligence agency reportedly informed leaders that Cyprus was a haven for money-laundering, which was trotted out as a bizarre reason last week that taking money from Cypriot bank accounts was a perfectly legitimate option. Cyprus's banks have high interest rates on savings, and it is a tax haven, which has attracted "hot money" from Russia and other countries. No one in Europe complained about that when it was helping the Cypriot economy, but now that a bailout is required, the equation has changed.

The character of EU negotiations – sloppy, disaster-prone, often bullying – is important to the US, too. There will be several visible results.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... s-eu-trade
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