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Re: Bail-out agreed!

Postby B25 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:09 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Maximus wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Demonax wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:I agree with Sotos, we Greek Cypriots have seen a lot worse then this. If one compares this to the 1974 Turkish invasion, where 200,000 Greek Cypriots were made into refugees and the whole country's economy virtually destroyed, this banking thing is nothing.
And if we have to pick olives from a tree and relearn how to prepare them, so what? Amazingly it may even be a fun thing to do.... In fact in the not so distant future the bank shares most likely will turn into a profit as with the AIG bailout.




http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-1 ... -sale.html

"....The Treasury Department is selling 234.2 million shares at $32.50 each in the sixth offering since the 2008 rescue. The proceeds boost the U.S. profit on the rescue that began in 2008 to $22.7 billion, according to a statement today from the Treasury, which injected capital through the Troubled Asset Relief Program..."


Yes we do need some perspective. After the initial shock, let's recall that people’s savings are not being wiped out but effectively taxed (albeit in exchange for shares) in order to prevent the banking collapse that Germany was threatening. It's unethical, in my view, especially on smaller savers but the alternatives on offer seem to have been much worse.

This is a gamble that it won't lead to a bank run in Cyprus and the rest of the EU. After all, what good it would do people to withdraw their money now, after the levy? Residual deposits are very very safe now. My guess is that the EU are gambling this will all blow over after the initial fuss.

I'm not sure this is a wise move by the EU though. People can say what they want, but from now on every rumor of a bailout for any eurozone country has the potential to trigger a bank run. At least Cyprus has got this out of the way first...


The overwhelming view of the people I have spoken to today (Cypriots and expats) is that they will remove their funds from Cyprus as a result of this....


they would still contribute and have the equity in return and run the risk of it happening again in another bank, somewhere else in the EU.


Assuming they kept their funds within the EU...

I know absolutely for sure of one person that will move their funds to Australia next week...

Tell him bye f bye. Sounds like a tantrum.
He was hoping to come to CY to make money here, now suddenly it doesn't suit him. What does he want, tears?
We have a 5 year uphill period until the hydrocarbons ar out then we woun't need them.
FFS, im sick of hearing these whinging gits about moving their money after this. I am not say i agree with it, but we are where we are and the alternative would have been much more painful for a lot more people.
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Re: Bail-out agreed!

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:10 pm

and then do what with it?......place it in who's bank?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/1 ... 84001.html

“(What) we ought to do is to allow banks to fail, go through the standard Chapter 11 type of process of liquidation, and allow the markets to adjust accordingly,” said the 87-year-old Greenspan. “That has worked for a very long time.”


Financial institutions are too fast and too big nowadays, for any government regulator to be able to regulate. Breaking them down into smaller pieces may be easier to manage. Already another financial bubble is brewing but noone is really paying attention. Will these same banks need another bailout again in a few years. If Cyprus' parliament doesnt approve this deal, then in essence banks will go bankrupt and fail... Going out on a limb on this. If the deal isnt approved and banks fail(i cant remember this being done in the past) it could be an experiment to see the effects on a modern economy(small in comparison) from bank failures.
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Re: Bail-out agreed!

Postby Maximus » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:11 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Just one question - what actually is the legality of all of this?


I do not think its legal to dip into depositors accounts without their consent but then the conditions set for the bailout by Cyprus's European partners, Russia and the IMF, are hardly legal either. from what I understand, the alternative would result in a 40% loss on deposits from a disorderly default as of Tuesday 19th. Anyone thinking of transferring money out of Cyprus banks then would be doing so after taking a heavier hit.

technically speaking, no one has stolen anything but the equity has been transferred to depositors and depositors liquidity brought forward to be used as cash-flow to keep the debt sustainable and implement the necessary reforms to remedy the situation.
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Re: Bail-out agreed!

Postby cyprusgrump » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:21 pm

B25 wrote:Tell him bye f bye. Sounds like a tantrum.
He was hoping to come to CY to make money here, now suddenly it doesn't suit him. What does he want, tears?
We have a 5 year uphill period until the hydrocarbons ar out then we woun't need them.
FFS, im sick of hearing these whinging gits about moving their money after this. I am not say i agree with it, but we are where we are and the alternative would have been much more painful for a lot more people.


Nobody complained when they moved here and brought their funds with them, purchased several properties, started a business or two, boosted the economies of two villages where they had houses...

They didn't complain when the defence tax rose...

They didn't complain when VAT rose from 10% to 19%...

They didn't complain when diesel rose from €12c to €1.40

They didn't even complain when we became the proud owners of the most expensive electricity in Europe...

Yet when the government stole 10% of the funds they had brought into the country to pay for their Title Deeds they decided they had had enough...

I suspect they will not be alone in that...
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Re: Bail-out agreed!

Postby Oceanside50 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:26 pm

the point of all this, is that should all this be allowed to happen again or neglect the cause and feel the effects later when another bubble materializes?.....And if the cause isnt eliminated then it will happen again.....and again and again


wasnt there a huge stock bubble a few years ago also...who paid for that one? who made off with all the money then as they are now?
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Re: Bail-out agreed!

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Re: Bail-out agreed!

Postby cyprusgrump » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:38 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:the point of all this, is that should all this be allowed to happen again or neglect the cause and feel the effects later when another bubble materializes?.....And if the cause isnt eliminated then it will happen again.....and again and again


wasnt there a huge stock bubble a few years ago also...who paid for that one? who made off with all the money then as they are now?


Exactly!
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Re: Bail-out agreed!

Postby B0B » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:06 pm

on the side note... lots of cy people in high ranks should better leave the country forever immediately after changing their names
whos haircut did they think they were going to make? some russian chess players? :shock: :lol:
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Re: Bail-out agreed!

Postby bill cobbett » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:07 pm

Well prob the worst of any decisions ... shatters whatever confidence was left in the CY Banks, destroys consumer confidence and takes mega billions out of the economy. ... and what will depositors in Italy, Spain and Portugal be thinking...???

For those thinking of trying to get hold of their deposits, money thrown in to the bottomless pit of the Greek Banks, here's a chap in Kyperounta threatening to make a withdrawal with a digger...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21813754
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Re: Bail-out agreed!

Postby Maximus » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:27 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Well prob the worst of any decisions ... shatters whatever confidence was left in the CY Banks, destroys consumer confidence and takes mega billions out of the economy. ... and what will depositors in Italy, Spain and Portugal be thinking...???


bail-in on deposits for equity vs prolonged austerity and inflation.
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