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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Maximus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:06 pm

ok VP, but its as RW says then, Turkey has to put up or shut the f^ck up.
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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:11 pm

Maximus wrote:ok VP, but its as RW says then, Turkey has to put up or shut the f^ck up.



Why when she can benefit from her current stance?
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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Demonax » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:15 pm

Maximus wrote:ok VP, but its as RW says then, Turkey has to put up or shut the f^ck up.


Turkey either accepts the Cypriot proposal to open its EU accession chapters or it’s seen as blocking these chapters itself AND continuing the trade embargo on the TCs.

In other words, if Turkey refuses the proposal, then Turkey has no-one to blame but itself for stalling its EU progress and for the ‘isolation’ of the TCs.
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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Maximus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:17 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Maximus wrote:ok VP, but its as RW says then, Turkey has to put up or shut the f^ck up.



Why when she can benefit from her current stance?


its those stupid EU officials.
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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Maximus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:21 pm

Demonax wrote:
Maximus wrote:ok VP, but its as RW says then, Turkey has to put up or shut the f^ck up.


Turkey either accepts the Cypriot proposal to open its EU accession chapters or it’s seen as blocking these chapters itself AND continuing the trade embargo on the TCs.

In other words, if Turkey refuses the proposal, then Turkey has no-one to blame but itself for stalling its EU progress and for the ‘isolation’ of the TCs.


Turkey will not agree to this Demonax, besides, Turkey does not even recognise that she is stalling her own EU accession process and Up until now, that is all she has been doing. The EU already know this.

Read VP's comment above, Turkey is only looking to take.
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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Demonax » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:34 pm

Maximus wrote:besides, Turkey does not even recognise that she is stalling her own EU accession process and Up until now, that is all she has been doing. The EU already know this.

Read VP's comment above, Turkey is only looking to take.


All we can do is give Turkey a path then allow it to decide what is in its interest. At least that way they can shut up about who is responsible for blocking its EU talks and who is to blame for the isolation of the TCs.

Take all that nonsense off the table and let Turkey be responsible for its own decisions.
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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Maximus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:44 pm

Demonax wrote:
Maximus wrote:besides, Turkey does not even recognise that she is stalling her own EU accession process and Up until now, that is all she has been doing. The EU already know this.

Read VP's comment above, Turkey is only looking to take.


All we can do is give Turkey a path then allow it to decide. At least that way they can shut up about Cyprus blocking its EU talks and the RoC being responsible for the isolation of the TCs.

Take all that nonsense off the table and let Turkey be responsible for its own decisions.


Turkey will choose the north of Cyprus over the EU. Turkish officials have stated this and they hold nothing sacred. They will lie, cheat, steal, play the victim, blame others and issue threats to overcompensate for their ineptitude.
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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:17 pm

Demonax wrote:
Maximus wrote:ok VP, but its as RW says then, Turkey has to put up or shut the f^ck up.


Turkey either accepts the Cypriot proposal to open its EU accession chapters or it’s seen as blocking these chapters itself AND continuing the trade embargo on the TCs.

In other words, if Turkey refuses the proposal, then Turkey has no-one to blame but itself for stalling its EU progress and for the ‘isolation’ of the TCs.


Its like saying do you wanna die by knife or gun. The only people forcing isolation on the TCs are the GCs, they think this will make them buckle and give into GC demands.
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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:20 pm

Maximus wrote:
Demonax wrote:
Maximus wrote:besides, Turkey does not even recognise that she is stalling her own EU accession process and Up until now, that is all she has been doing. The EU already know this.

Read VP's comment above, Turkey is only looking to take.


All we can do is give Turkey a path then allow it to decide. At least that way they can shut up about Cyprus blocking its EU talks and the RoC being responsible for the isolation of the TCs.

Take all that nonsense off the table and let Turkey be responsible for its own decisions.


Turkey will choose the north of Cyprus over the EU. Turkish officials have stated this and they hold nothing sacred. They will lie, cheat, steal, play the victim, blame others and issue threats to overcompensate for their ineptitude.


Unblock the chapters and see how they progress, who has actually blocked them? the GCs in the hope that they will force Turkey to recognize them and unrecognized the TRNC.
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Re: Return of Famagusta And Turkey's EU Accession

Postby Demonax » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:24 pm

Maximus wrote:Turkey will choose the north of Cyprus over the EU. Turkish officials have stated this and they hold nothing sacred. They will lie, playing the victim and blaming others for and issue threeats to overcompensate for their ineptitude.


If there was no Cyprus occupation blocking Turkey’s EU path, then they would not be having second thoughts about joining the EU. They would not be stalling or playing games. It would still be a priority because Turkey would be better off in the EU than out of it. They know that really.

That still holds. What is Turkey gaining from occupying Cyprus? Other than some pathetic Ottoman fantasy? Nothing. No strategic benefit, no economic benefit, no diplomatic benefit. It maintains a corrupt little mafia thiefdom instead of a broader strategic vision. Let them cut off their noses if they wish. That is their choice.
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