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[boulio]

Lordo enosis with the junta was out of the question for makarios in 1967.tke reason that makarios rejected the meetings between denktash and clerides was for the fact that makarios believed that for the accepting of the 13 points the Turks would get the enclaves and the separate municipalities legalized.do I think makarios made a mistake in hindsight in not accepting local autonomy for the tc ,yes I do but he didn't reject them because of enosis not being included.

[Lordo]

Lordo enosis with the junta was out of the question for makarios in 1967.tke reason that makarios rejected the meetings between denktash and clerides was for the fact that makarios believed that for the accepting of the 13 points the Turks would get the enclaves and the separate municipalities legalized.do I think makarios made a mistake in hindsight in not accepting local autonomy for the tc ,yes I do but he didn't reject them because of enosis not being included.

makarios voted for enosis in 1967. facts speak for themselves. read some proper info to see what makrios said about the 1972 agreement. enough of making history as we go along.

[boulio]

I have read and that's my opinion and conclusion

[repulsewarrior]

...where does the first attempt on Makarios' life fall in all of this?

[repulsewarrior]

...never mind the second or the third, and let's not forget the fourth, with its coup, facts as you say, are facts, the so called Greeks, did not rise up to take arms against the man it seems between them and enosis with Greece; Cypriots exist.

...Lordo, please.

[repulsewarrior]

rw a treaty is a treaty is treaty, once signed it has to respected. otherwise jungle rule applies.

...exactly vp (and Lordo), you have problems about having a choice because by your terms, Cyprus was British and not Turkish when it came time to choose. Turkey has nothing to say, in effect, if once signed a treaty has to be respected. under Ottoman rule, Cyprus became a backwater, it was lost accordingly, and with the coming of the Modern Age it was too late to make a claim, as though the Civilian population amounted to chattel on Property like in the Age past, between Imperialists.

...Cyprus exists.

[Viewpoint]

rw a treaty is a treaty is treaty, once signed it has to respected. otherwise jungle rule applies.

...exactly vp (and Lordo), you have problems about having a choice because by your terms, Cyprus was British and not Turkish when it came time to choose. Turkey has nothing to say, in effect, if once signed a treaty has to be respected. under Ottoman rule, Cyprus became a backwater, it was lost accordingly, and with the coming of the Modern Age it was too late to make a claim, as though the Civilian population amounted to chattel on Property like in the Age past, between Imperialists.

...Cyprus exists.

Of course Cyprus exists, divided.

[bill cobbett]

According to the CY Mail today, the US Ambassador to CY is quite happy for closer CY/NATO ties and for CY to join the PfP.

... and what the US wants in NATO, the US gets. So much for the alleged Turkish 'veto"...

..."THE UNITED States welcomes Cyprus’ commitment to strengthen ties with the transatlantic security organisation NATO, US ambassador to Nicosia John Koenig said yesterday.
He also called for a careful planning of the new government’s stated goal of joining NATO’s anteroom, the Partnership for Peace (PfP) programme, to ensure a positive effect on EU-NATO relations..."

[Jerry]

According to the CY Mail today, the US Ambassador to CY is quite happy for closer CY/NATO ties and for CY to join the PfP.

... and what the US wants in NATO, the US gets. So much for the alleged Turkish 'veto"...

..."THE UNITED States welcomes Cyprus’ commitment to strengthen ties with the transatlantic security organisation NATO, US ambassador to Nicosia John Koenig said yesterday.
He also called for a careful planning of the new government’s stated goal of joining NATO’s anteroom, the Partnership for Peace (PfP) programme, to ensure a positive effect on EU-NATO relations..."

Britain will only have one significant overseas base soon (after it quits Germany for good) - in Cyprus. With Cyprus in Nato I wonder how long it would be before UK tries to negotiate the handing over of the Cyprus bases to the US to save some more cash. I remember the Americans kicked up a big fuss when Denis Healy tried to give up Cyprus bases in the 1960s. What price would the ROC ask to agree to such a handover?

[Viewpoint]

According to the CY Mail today, the US Ambassador to CY is quite happy for closer CY/NATO ties and for CY to join the PfP.

... and what the US wants in NATO, the US gets. So much for the alleged Turkish 'veto"...

..."THE UNITED States welcomes Cyprus’ commitment to strengthen ties with the transatlantic security organisation NATO, US ambassador to Nicosia John Koenig said yesterday.
He also called for a careful planning of the new government’s stated goal of joining NATO’s anteroom, the Partnership for Peace (PfP) programme, to ensure a positive effect on EU-NATO relations..."

Britain will only have one significant overseas base soon (after it quits Germany for good) - in Cyprus. With Cyprus in Nato I wonder how long it would be before UK tries to negotiate the handing over of the Cyprus bases to the US to save some more cash. I remember the Americans kicked up a big fuss when Denis Healy tried to give up Cyprus bases in the 1960s. What price would the ROC ask to agree to such a handover?

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