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[Pyrpolizer]

We can shout and scream all we like at Turkey, the reality is it is too important to NATO and in particular the US for them to help us get rid of the invader. It will take a serious about turn for the US to dump Turkey as it did in Saddam, I can't see that ever happening so we need another way because the law won't do it. Even the EU doesn't really care about Cyprus, if it did it would have refused to start Turkey's accession process whilst it occupied the island.

Just suppose Greece and Cyprus held a referendum whereby Greece proposed to share some of its EEZ (and possibly some cash) with Turkey in exchange for abandoning its illegal occupation, how would a Cypriot vote and, more interestingly, how would a Greek vote? Show your true colours, how would you vote?

The mainland Greeks would vote NO Jerry, that's all that matters. You are right in what you say about Turkey's importance to NATO. the question is.... what's the purpose of Nato today? And can the USA continue all these spending on armaments. Let's not forget that the international economic crisis started from them. It is quite possible that the whole financial system will collapse, and that will either start from Europe or the USA.
Imo the world will not be as we know it in the next 10 years.
Besides I always had the personal opinion that this "Turkey-Nato-importance" was just the smoke screen for the "American Mafia-Turkey-importance" dealing with drugs. It was always like that from the times of Kennedy.

[Demonax]

We can shout and scream all we like at Turkey, the reality is it is too important to NATO and in particular the US for them to help us get rid of the invader. It will take a serious about turn for the US to dump Turkey as it did in Saddam, I can't see that ever happening so we need another way because the law won't do it. Even the EU doesn't really care about Cyprus, if it did it would have refused to start Turkey's accession process whilst it occupied the island.

It was always thought that Turkey could be coaxed into a withdrawal from Cyprus as part of its reform and accession process. The EU thought they were dealing with a reforming Turkish government not a crypto-Islamic authoritarian one. It's taken the EU a long time to realise what sort of regime they are dealing with. Regardless, the Cyprus issue has blocked Turkey from its EU accession process. Turkey is going nowhere without a solution on the island. The Turkish economy is not the dynamo it is made out to be. When the facade comes crumbling down, the Turks know they will only have two options: an EU oriented option (if not full membership) or an Islamic anti-Western one. Only one of these promises Turkey any real future.

[Demonax]

On Erdogan wanting to 'bury' the Cyprus 'problem':

"We want to bury the Cyprus problem," said Erdogan during the signing of the bilateral pact with Greek Prime Minister Antonis Samaras on Monday.

However, it is very easy for Erdogan to declare that the problem of Cyprus should be relegated to the past, rather than actually acknowledge that on 20 July 1974 Turkey occupied Northern Cyprus and since then has been the only country to recognise the Turkish Republic its troops created there.

It is precisely this occupation of another EU country, and the non-recognition of the Republic of Cyprus as an occupied territory, that casts a shadow over Turkey's wish to join the EU.

Turkey has continuously refused to open its ports up to Cyprus, and has laid grand claims over complicated maritime borders and hydrocarbon research blocks around the Mediterranean island.

This has only served to inflame tension in the Aegean over the oil and gas reserves found on the outskirts of Cyprus Not only has this challenged Cyprus's EEZ agreements, it has challenged the country's sovereign right to explore natural resources on its own territory.

Ultimately, Erdogan is oversimplifying the problem of Cyprus by wanting to 'bury' it, when in fact the Cyprus dispute is very much alive and kicking.

Turkey has to make concessions and solve the Cyprus dispute, as well as confronting its domestic minority rights issues, the limitation of free speech as depicted by Turkey's infamous Article 301 and the jailing of journalists. If it can't do this, it is exceedingly difficult to foresee Turkey joining the EU anytime soon.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/44241 ... rthern.htm?

[GreekIslandGirl]

So the topic initiator thinks Greece should give something to the Turks to leave Cyprus alone; but doesn't know what.

Good one. Keep feeding the criminals and every time they want something more, just re-invade Cyprus. Lovely long term solution. NOT!

[Viewpoint]

We can shout and scream all we like at Turkey, the reality is it is too important to NATO and in particular the US for them to help us get rid of the invader. It will take a serious about turn for the US to dump Turkey as it did in Saddam, I can't see that ever happening so we need another way because the law won't do it. Even the EU doesn't really care about Cyprus, if it did it would have refused to start Turkey's accession process whilst it occupied the island.

Just suppose Greece and Cyprus held a referendum whereby Greece proposed to share some of its EEZ (and possibly some cash) with Turkey in exchange for abandoning its illegal occupation, how would a Cypriot vote and, more interestingly, how would a Greek vote? Show your true colours, how would you vote?

Totally agree Jerry.

[Jerry]

We can shout and scream all we like at Turkey, the reality is it is too important to NATO and in particular the US for them to help us get rid of the invader. It will take a serious about turn for the US to dump Turkey as it did in Saddam, I can't see that ever happening so we need another way because the law won't do it. Even the EU doesn't really care about Cyprus, if it did it would have refused to start Turkey's accession process whilst it occupied the island.

Just suppose Greece and Cyprus held a referendum whereby Greece proposed to share some of its EEZ (and possibly some cash) with Turkey in exchange for abandoning its illegal occupation, how would a Cypriot vote and, more interestingly, how would a Greek vote? Show your true colours, how would you vote?

Totally agree Jerry.

Well that's a result,VP agrees that in certain circumstances Turkey could abandon it's illegal occupation.

For those that can't read I suggested, "it should offer to share some of its EEZ with Turkey in exchange for quitting Cyprus, it's payback time - there could even be some cash in it for poor Greece." And of course within the EU Turkey would be restrained from militaty excursions against fellow club members.

[Viewpoint]

We can shout and scream all we like at Turkey, the reality is it is too important to NATO and in particular the US for them to help us get rid of the invader. It will take a serious about turn for the US to dump Turkey as it did in Saddam, I can't see that ever happening so we need another way because the law won't do it. Even the EU doesn't really care about Cyprus, if it did it would have refused to start Turkey's accession process whilst it occupied the island.

Just suppose Greece and Cyprus held a referendum whereby Greece proposed to share some of its EEZ (and possibly some cash) with Turkey in exchange for abandoning its illegal occupation, how would a Cypriot vote and, more interestingly, how would a Greek vote? Show your true colours, how would you vote?

Totally agree Jerry.

Well that's a result,VP agrees that in certain circumstances Turkey could abandon it's illegal occupation.

For those that can't read I suggested, "it should offer to share some of its EEZ with Turkey in exchange for quitting Cyprus, it's payback time - there could even be some cash in it for poor Greece." And of course within the EU Turkey would be restrained from militaty excursions against fellow club members.

This part really hits home;

We can shout and scream all we like at Turkey, the reality is it is too important to NATO and in particular the US for them to help us get rid of the invader. It will take a serious about turn for the US to dump Turkey as it did in Saddam, I can't see that ever happening so we need another way because the law won't do it. Even the EU doesn't really care about Cyprus, if it did it would have refused to start Turkey's accession process whilst it occupied the island.

You GCs need to change as you are not on track to resolve anything, to date you have not gotten one inch of land, one new generation TCs has not returned and the Turkish Army are still here. You must be able to work this out its not that hard.

[boulio]

I VOTE that greece should share and co develope ares of natural resourses in the eastern med with turkey and cyprus if it meant the withdrawl of turkey and greece and gb form the island.

[GreekIslandGirl]

We can shout and scream all we like at Turkey, the reality is it is too important to NATO and in particular the US for them to help us get rid of the invader. It will take a serious about turn for the US to dump Turkey as it did in Saddam, I can't see that ever happening so we need another way because the law won't do it. Even the EU doesn't really care about Cyprus, if it did it would have refused to start Turkey's accession process whilst it occupied the island.

Just suppose Greece and Cyprus held a referendum whereby Greece proposed to share some of its EEZ (and possibly some cash) with Turkey in exchange for abandoning its illegal occupation, how would a Cypriot vote and, more interestingly, how would a Greek vote? Show your true colours, how would you vote?

Totally agree Jerry.

Well that's a result,VP agrees that in certain circumstances Turkey could abandon it's illegal occupation.

For those that can't read I suggested, "it should offer to share some of its EEZ with Turkey in exchange for quitting Cyprus, it's payback time - there could even be some cash in it for poor Greece." And of course within the EU Turkey would be restrained from militaty excursions against fellow club members.

Yeah, Jerry, Turkey will definitely leave Cyprus alone for ever in exchange for a little something now. How wonderful. Five centuries of take take take and finally, Jerry has found the little something the Turks (or VP) have been looking for in order to leave this region alone. Wow!

[Maximus]

We can shout and scream all we like at Turkey, the reality is it is too important to NATO and in particular the US for them to help us get rid of the invader. It will take a serious about turn for the US to dump Turkey as it did in Saddam, I can't see that ever happening so we need another way because the law won't do it. Even the EU doesn't really care about Cyprus, if it did it would have refused to start Turkey's accession process whilst it occupied the island.

Just suppose Greece and Cyprus held a referendum whereby Greece proposed to share some of its EEZ (and possibly some cash) with Turkey in exchange for abandoning its illegal occupation, how would a Cypriot vote and, more interestingly, how would a Greek vote? Show your true colours, how would you vote?

Totally agree Jerry.

Well that's a result,VP agrees that in certain circumstances Turkey could abandon it's illegal occupation.

For those that can't read I suggested, "it should offer to share some of its EEZ with Turkey in exchange for quitting Cyprus, it's payback time - there could even be some cash in it for poor Greece." And of course within the EU Turkey would be restrained from militaty excursions against fellow club members.

Jerry, this statement is a bit of an oxymoron (restrain Turkey from within when it is proving to the contrary to even get compliance now > dangerous!) and Greece should not have to give some of her EEZ to Turkey, full stop. The cash that is in it for poor Greece is from selling the gas to Turkey, not giving it to Turkey.

why not move the pseudo-state to the south west of England?