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[Bananiot]

So, there are different forms of partition. Interesting, perhaps you mean different way of achieving partition. The best and shorter way was to say "no" to the A plan but I will not call you a traitor. Simitis, (read the article in erolz thread) declared that we allowed history to bypass us, but of course you can easily dismiss this traitor too. You are becoming really funny ...

[Piratis]

You are becoming funny by avoiding to answer the question.

Since Talat said: "Greek Orthodox liturgy to take place at the Ayios Mammmas church in Morphou this week has done more for the Turkish Cypriot cause than any high-cost promotion campaign could even have done." and then he defined what this cause is by saying: "It also shows that those who say north Cyprus is occupied are wrong".

Why do you keep supporting the cause of Talat, which is clearly partition?

Or maybe what Talat means is that what you do for him is a "low-cost promotion" which is better than any other high cost one? You made him a very good deal ah?

[Piratis]

Anastasiades: "That would be $1000 Mr. Talat".

Talat: "Only??!!! Thats a freaking great deal!! I was about to spent 10 times that amount on a high-cost promotion campaign. Thank you so much!!".

Anastasiades: "Don't think that we are cheap. The reason the price is so low is because it is subsidized by the Americans"

[erolz]

Since Talat said: "Greek Orthodox liturgy to take place at the Ayios Mammmas church in Morphou this week has done more for the Turkish Cypriot cause than any high-cost promotion campaign could even have done." and then he defined what this cause is by saying: "It also shows that those who say north Cyprus is occupied are wrong".

Talat was elected on a platorm of renunification of Cyprus - thus it is possible to interpret that what he means by the TC cause is (fair reunifaction). Maybe he is saying that practicle examples of co operation are more effective that 'ad campaigns' to achieve reunification, because he believes it to be true. I realise that you do not think he was elected on such a platform or that (fair) reunification is his aim, but I present the above as an alternative interpretation to yours. I make no claims as to which is the better interprtation or the right one - just offer an alternative.

You can say that TC live in a country under occupation and you can say that Turkish actions in 1974 resulted effective occupation of part of Cyprus as far as GC (and some TC and others UN etc etc) are concerned. These are not the same things. Again another interpretation of what Talat is saying is that the events at Ay. Mamas are proof that TC do not live under occupation in the north of the island - that TC and TC leaders are free to decide if such events occur or not and not the 'occupying forces'. This does not then necessarily mean that he denies that for GC north Cyprus represents 'occupation' to them, but that for those living in the North they are not living under occupation. Again this is just another interpretation.

I KNOW I said that I would not be posting, and generally I am not (I have resisted several earlier 'temptations'). I know that some will not like these alternative interpretations and probably deny there is any possibilty that they reflect Talats meaning, prefering to take interpretations that reinforce their views. This is normal I guess. For my part I have tried to offer these alternatives as 'unprovocatively' as I can. I had tried to stress that that I make no claim of 'rightness' of them over any others - but leave that to indivduals to judge for themsleves.

[MicAtCyp]

I am watching patiently the discussion here, waiting to see whether Bananiot will ever answer Piratis question.Now Bananiot be a good debator and answer Piratis question, rather than repeating us your paraboles and dancing.

[Piratis]

Maybe he is saying that practicle examples of co operation are more effective that 'ad campaigns' to achieve reunification

1) There was not a single word about reunification. I believe the way he talked is very clear and it is not subject to different interpretation.

He first said "..has done more for the Turkish Cypriot cause than any high-cost promotion campaign could even have done"

and then he explained why:

It shows the world that the Turkish Cypriots are tolerant, democratic and sensible. It also shows that those who say north Cyprus is occupied are wrong

The whole world saw that the TRNC’s police and government bodies function systematically and well

So he obviously was not talking about reunification, and the "cause" of Turkish Cypriots he is referring to is the recognition of the "TRNC" and the "target market" of his promotional campaign was "the whole world" as he said and not Cypriots (which would be the case if the cause was reunification).

2) Reunification is not a just a "Turkish Cypriot cause", if he was reffering to that he would say "Cypriot cause".

[Mike]

Talat is trying to use everything he can to gain recognition for his "TRNC". What he wants is not to block us out of north. What he wants is to have us visiting there as tourists. What he is telling to us is not "this is our common country". What he is telling to us is "This is the Turkish Cypriot country ("TRNC") and you are welcome to visit". Some stupid Greek Cypriots get this "welcoming" and they think "oh, how nice is Talat". They are so stupid they do not understand that they are massively participating and supporting his propaganda/promotion that the north should be independent and have good neighbor relationships with the "south".

[MicAtCyp]

What he wants is not to block us out of north. What he wants is to have us visiting there as tourists.

Exactly! They want us to be tourists in our own country. Do you have any doubt? Look at the tourist guidelines of Serdar Denktash:

"From now on, Greek Cypriot people, who will come to TRNC for the first time, will receive Turkish people's traditional hospitality as long as they act in line with our laws and traditions, otherwise they are not welcomed "

By "Turkish people" he means "TCs + Settlers" of course....

One may wonder what he realy means by "our laws" .Well listen to this:
According to "law" No 159 (4) which is a basic law of the pseudo "constitution" ALL properties of the GREEK CYPRIOTS no longer belong to them. Subsequent laws deprive the right of any GC to return to his own home!

So dare go there and tell the inhabitant "this house or this property is mine" and dare argue with him in case he disagrees. You know what is expecting you for breaking "the law"....

[iskismet]

Can anybody provide me with a website reference so I can see the trnc constitution?

[erolz]

Can anybody provide me with a website reference so I can see the trnc constitution?

I am not sure a full version (in english) exits on the internet currently. There is an overview here.

http://www.trncwashdc.org/g001.html#one

If you would like private message me and I will try and find a print copy and get it to you.