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[Viewpoint]

Now lets face and deal with the reality before us.

The reality is that Turkey will never join the EU while its illegal occupation of Cyprus continues. And before you go off on one "we don't need the EU" remember that three quarters of you foreign investment and half of your exports are dependent on the EU. Even before you join the EU you may risk losing the customs union if you don't behave yourself.

What colour BMW are you going to choose?

Turkey knows full well she will never be allowed in even if she completed all the chapters and tied it with a red bow she will at best get a special partnership deal which in reality she has right now add to this that the EU s slowly crumbling and aging, joining will not be in her favor. All she has to do now is seen to want to join and keep the benefits to her economy.

The EU is a toothless tiger and will never take action, they have 200 meeting to buy a ballpoint pen how on earth do you think they will penalize Turkey for the GCs blocking her path, the EU also hold you GCs equally responsible for the impasse and rejection of the UN solution.

I dont need a BMW, I have a far better car.

[Kikapu]

Kikapooo you still dont get it do you, I am not saying the AP will be brought back word for word but the foundations have been cast all that can be done now are adjustments that will secure a YES from both sides, the UN will never start from scratch if you continue to think that then you are more of a fool that I gave you credit for.

So, does that mean you will agree to a new "Annan Plan" of 2013 based on EU Principles? If so, it will take just 5 minutes to produce the updated version of the AP 2004!

Really depends on the contents and if this will secure a YES from both sides who have 50% weight in the decision making process.

That's no answer. You know very well that you cannot circumvent the EU Principles like you were able to in 2004, so you and Turkey are really left with the only choice for a unification settlement, which are the EU Principles. Once you accept these principles, the rest is only a formality in getting a YES vote from both sides.

OK lets see how far these EU principles to heaven on earth gets us, by taking one subject at a time, eg New Generation TCs?

What will your EU straight jacket tell us to do here keeping in mind the number of generations that haveen born here and have inter married with TCs.

So you are putting the welfare of Illegal Alien settlers before the welfare of the Turkish Cypriots. Really?

If I'm not mistaken, the GCs are already willing to accept up to 50,000 your so called "new TCs" as Cypriot citizens, which no doubt most are children born to TC citizens and their Illegal Alien parents. The rest will need to pack up and go about 60 miles back home, which is less distance than most people commute to work in the states. If Turkey can deal with thousands of refugees coming from Syria, I'm sure she can also take care of her own citizens too.

[Viewpoint]

So in short you support what the AP proposed? and this is in line with your superior EU principles?

[Kikapu]

So in short you support what the AP proposed? and this is in line with your superior EU principles?

Actually.............. NO!

What the AP proposed was that there would be 50,000 voters allowed to stay, plus many thousands of others through many different shenanigans. 50,000 hand selected Illegal Alien voters plus their family could easily at the minimum make 4 people per voter, (voter, spouse + 2 children) = 200,000 plus. Then you woulds add all the ones who had married and had children with TCs. AP was going to keep almost all the Illegal Aliens as well as open the door to bring more later on since the north was going to be an independent sovereign state where it was equal to the Federal common state.

The GCs (through Christofias) were just willing to accept 50,000, that's all. See the difference?

[Viewpoint]

So in short you support what the AP proposed? and this is in line with your superior EU principles?

Actually.............. NO!

What the AP proposed was that there would be 50,000 voters allowed to stay, plus many thousands of others through many different shenanigans. 50,000 hand selected Illegal Alien voters plus their family could easily at the minimum make 4 people per voter, (voter, spouse + 2 children) = 200,000 plus. Then you woulds add all the ones who had married and had children with TCs. AP was going to keep almost all the Illegal Aliens as well as open the door to bring more later on since the north was going to be an independent sovereign state where it was equal to the Federal common state.

The GCs (through Christofias) were just willing to accept 50,000, that's all. See the difference?

Prove your claim, link?

[Kikapu]

So in short you support what the AP proposed? and this is in line with your superior EU principles?

Actually.............. NO!

What the AP proposed was that there would be 50,000 voters allowed to stay, plus many thousands of others through many different shenanigans. 50,000 hand selected Illegal Alien voters plus their family could easily at the minimum make 4 people per voter, (voter, spouse + 2 children) = 200,000 plus. Then you woulds add all the ones who had married and had children with TCs. AP was going to keep almost all the Illegal Aliens as well as open the door to bring more later on since the north was going to be an independent sovereign state where it was equal to the Federal common state.

The GCs (through Christofias) were just willing to accept 50,000, that's all. See the difference?

Prove your claim, link?

You haven't answered the question as to whether you will support the EU Principles, because you cannot escape them in the next settlement plan.

Prove what exactly. It's all in the 9,000 pages in one form or the other. Why else would you have voted for a partition plan that you yourself admitted that AP was a partition plan?

You believed that GCs would have needed to give their allegiance to Ataturk if they wanted to get a state job in the north state, so why would you be shocked by this that the 50,000 in the AP would be Illegal Alien voters in the north now. Add their families and you will reach 200,000+. The north state main industry would have been selling EU citizenship to anyone who was willing to pay big money for it. Once that was over after few years, then sell the rest of the EU citizenship at a discount for any Tom, Dick and Harry. Turkey would have had 75 million alone on the black market EU citizenship list.

You do trust what Halil posts, don't you? Well, this is what he posted a while back and my response to him back then.

Where do you think Küçük got that idea from? The AP of course.


by halil » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:11 pm

"42 THOUSAND FAMILY IS WAITING FOR CITIZENSHIP"
cyprus32711.html

"42 THOUSAND FAMILY IS WAITING FOR CITIZENSHIP"

TRNC PM Küçük said '' on the waiting list citizenship status of workers from Turkey is 42 000''

with their families citizenship status number might be over 160 000..........

According to PM Küçük 600 000 population lives in TRNC now . In this list students from Turkey and third countries, troops, and workers are included.

source:http://www.havadiskibris.com/KIBRIS/11947---Kucuk_-“42-bin-aile-vatandaslik-bekliyor”----.html

Is this then not further proof that the potential 50,000 Turks Turkey wanted in the Annan Plan for them to become Cypriot citizens in actuality meant 200,000 Turks, to be the total count resulting from the original 50,000, since that number was to be from the actual "voter list", which did not involve spouses or kids. That's was what most thought would happen at the time who may have have voted "NO" from the GC side in 2004..!

[Viewpoint]

So in short you support what the AP proposed? and this is in line with your superior EU principles?

Actually.............. NO!

What the AP proposed was that there would be 50,000 voters allowed to stay, plus many thousands of others through many different shenanigans. 50,000 hand selected Illegal Alien voters plus their family could easily at the minimum make 4 people per voter, (voter, spouse + 2 children) = 200,000 plus. Then you woulds add all the ones who had married and had children with TCs. AP was going to keep almost all the Illegal Aliens as well as open the door to bring more later on since the north was going to be an independent sovereign state where it was equal to the Federal common state.

The GCs (through Christofias) were just willing to accept 50,000, that's all. See the difference?

Prove your claim, link?

You haven't answered the question as to whether you will support the EU Principles, because you cannot escape them in the next settlement plan.

Prove what exactly. It's all in the 9,000 pages in one form or the other. Why else would you have voted for a partition plan that you yourself admitted that AP was a partition plan?

You believed that GCs would have needed to give their allegiance to Ataturk if they wanted to get a state job in the north state, so why would you be shocked by this that the 50,000 in the AP would be Illegal Alien voters in the north now. Add their families and you will reach 200,000+. The north state main industry would have been selling EU citizenship to anyone who was willing to pay big money for it. Once that was over after few years, then sell the rest of the EU citizenship at a discount for any Tom, Dick and Harry. Turkey would have had 75 million alone on the black market EU citizenship list.

You do trust what Halil posts, don't you? Well, this is what he posted a while back and my response to him back then.

Where do you think Küçük got that idea from? The AP of course.


by halil » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:11 pm

"42 THOUSAND FAMILY IS WAITING FOR CITIZENSHIP"
cyprus32711.html

"42 THOUSAND FAMILY IS WAITING FOR CITIZENSHIP"

TRNC PM Küçük said '' on the waiting list citizenship status of workers from Turkey is 42 000''

with their families citizenship status number might be over 160 000..........

According to PM Küçük 600 000 population lives in TRNC now . In this list students from Turkey and third countries, troops, and workers are included.

source:http://www.havadiskibris.com/KIBRIS/11947---Kucuk_-“42-bin-aile-vatandaslik-bekliyor”----.html

Is this then not further proof that the potential 50,000 Turks Turkey wanted in the Annan Plan for them to become Cypriot citizens in actuality meant 200,000 Turks, to be the total count resulting from the original 50,000, since that number was to be from the actual "voter list", which did not involve spouses or kids. That's was what most thought would happen at the time who may have have voted "NO" from the GC side in 2004..!

Please supply exactly where in the AP it actually states that all the new generation TCs will stay? if you cannot you dont have a case its all hearsay ignorant speculation and your biased shitty imagination yet again.

[Kikapu]

The AP doesn't have to say "All new generation TCs will stay". The AP made many loopholes and provisions for them to stay, as well as many more to come later from Turkey and elsewhere! Just like the AP used the term "Federation", but in fact it was a Confederation in the way it was proposed!

[Viewpoint]

The AP doesn't have to say "All new generation TCs will stay". The AP made many loopholes and provisions for them to stay, as well as many more to come later from Turkey and elsewhere! Just like the AP used the term "Federation", but in fact it was a Confederation in the way it was proposed!

Link? otherwise you are talking shit once again Kikapoooo.

[Kikapu]

The AP doesn't have to say "All new generation TCs will stay". The AP made many loopholes and provisions for them to stay, as well as many more to come later from Turkey and elsewhere! Just like the AP used the term "Federation", but in fact it was a Confederation in the way it was proposed!

Link? otherwise you are talking shit once again Kikapoooo.

The whole AP of 2004 is your link, all 9,000+ pages of it.