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[Viewpoint]

So now you are squirming again Kikapooo, we are not to adopt EU principles but the "RoC" will decide. In what shape or form? with the TCs or without?

Why do you now not want EU principles to be applied to all those that arrived on the island after 1974?

You are the one who is squirming by not answering my questions as usual.

Show me where in the EU Illegal Aliens and their children have been given citizenships no matter how long they have been in that country illegally and citizenships given based on EU Principle and not as ONLY as a policy of the country which gave the citizenships to the Illegal Aliens and their children.

One step at a time Kikapoo, so far we have established that your brilliant EU principles do not cover the current reality of people who have chosen to settle in both south and north Cyprus, therefore we the people of Cyprus have to decide how to treat these people which according to human rights should be just and humanitarian approach;

1.Those married to a Cypriot stay.
2.Those born to a Cypriot mixed marriage stay.
3.Those who arrived and settled on the island more than 10 years stay.
4.Those who have been residing on the island less than 10 years stay with renewable permits which can be cancelled, no voting rights, These people can apply for citizenship after 10 years to be assessed at the federal level by a mixed panel of both TCs and GCs.

These rules should be applicable to the whole island and imho are fair and just.

[Kikapu]

So now you are squirming again Kikapooo, we are not to adopt EU principles but the "RoC" will decide. In what shape or form? with the TCs or without?

Why do you now not want EU principles to be applied to all those that arrived on the island after 1974?

You are the one who is squirming by not answering my questions as usual.

Show me where in the EU Illegal Aliens and their children have been given citizenships no matter how long they have been in that country illegally and citizenships given based on EU Principle and not as ONLY as a policy of the country which gave the citizenships to the Illegal Aliens and their children.

One step at a time Kikapoo, so far we have established that your brilliant EU principles do not cover the current reality of people who have chosen to settle in both south and north Cyprus, therefore we the people of Cyprus have to decide how to treat these people which according to human rights should be just and humanitarian approach;

1.Those married to a Cypriot stay.
2.Those born to a Cypriot mixed marriage stay.
3.Those who arrived and settled on the island more than 10 years stay.
4.Those who have been residing on the island less than 10 years stay with renewable permits which can be cancelled, no voting rights, These people can apply for citizenship after 10 years to be assessed at the federal level by a mixed panel of both TCs and GCs.

These rules should be applicable to the whole island and imho are fair and just.

So in short, everyone stays in your book, which is no different than the AP, so why were you arguing with me on this silly 50,000 numbers?

Obviously you voted for the AP because it would allow ALL the Illegal Aliens to stay in one form or the other which you yourself have just confessed to in what you want.

By the way, I do not agree with your above list and neither would the GCs and majority of the TCs. Illegal Aliens is Illegal Aliens and they do not have rights to stay no matter how long they have been in Cyprus illegally. Only what the RoC will allow can stay, and their offer has been 50,000, which according to you, so did the AP which you voted for, so 50,000 it is. These would mainly come from in your No. 1 & 2 list above.

[Viewpoint]

So now you are squirming again Kikapooo, we are not to adopt EU principles but the "RoC" will decide. In what shape or form? with the TCs or without?

Why do you now not want EU principles to be applied to all those that arrived on the island after 1974?

You are the one who is squirming by not answering my questions as usual.

Show me where in the EU Illegal Aliens and their children have been given citizenships no matter how long they have been in that country illegally and citizenships given based on EU Principle and not as ONLY as a policy of the country which gave the citizenships to the Illegal Aliens and their children.

One step at a time Kikapoo, so far we have established that your brilliant EU principles do not cover the current reality of people who have chosen to settle in both south and north Cyprus, therefore we the people of Cyprus have to decide how to treat these people which according to human rights should be just and humanitarian approach;

1.Those married to a Cypriot stay.
2.Those born to a Cypriot mixed marriage stay.
3.Those who arrived and settled on the island more than 10 years stay.
4.Those who have been residing on the island less than 10 years stay with renewable permits which can be cancelled, no voting rights, These people can apply for citizenship after 10 years to be assessed at the federal level by a mixed panel of both TCs and GCs.

These rules should be applicable to the whole island and imho are fair and just.

So in short, everyone stays in your book, which is no different than the AP, so why were you arguing with me on this silly 50,000 numbers?

Obviously you voted for the AP because it would allow ALL the Illegal Aliens to stay in one form or the other which you yourself have just confessed to in what you want.

By the way, I do not agree with your above list and neither would the GCs and majority of the TCs. Illegal Aliens is Illegal Aliens and they do not have rights to stay no matter how long they have been in Cyprus illegally. Only what the RoC will allow can stay, and their offer has been 50,000, which according to you, so did the AP which you voted for, so 50,000 it is. These would mainly come from in your No. 1 & 2 list above.

How does uprooting people who have lived on the island all their lives in fact longer than fit in with the EU Principles and Human Rights you peddle, we are not off to a good start. Plus the "RoC" decides, you so easily forget that have a stake in the "RoC" so in fact that means what we want also has to be taken into conisderation and not pushed aside like we have always been saying will happen in a united Cyprus...your attitude is a prime example of how GCs think, which is that they have the final word...well ı have news for you its not...we have as much say and I say the approve proposal is fair and humanitarian, but of course that is not what you are after.

Dont forget anyone less than 10 years which is a very high figure will not be a citizen and can be asked to return to where ever they came from humanely, this is applicable to both sides of the island. Now if you want to be practicle and discuss maybe raising the 10 year benchmark, then this would be acceptable but complete refusal of the whole proposal only prves you are not here to compromise or negotiate but constantly pushing your own agenda which is really saying my way or the highway which translates as I do not want a solution.

[Maximus]

How does uprooting people who have lived on the island all their lives in fact longer than fit in with the EU Principles and Human Rights you peddle, we are not off to a good start. .

it's such a bizarre and backward mentality considerring that these people first violated and uprooted the original inhabitants and violated their human rights. Now you are calling on them to forgoe their rights to afford them to the illegals. Abdullah Gul sums this kind of rationale up perfectly.

“Europe's standards of democracy, human rights and freedom of expression are very high. Unfortunately, from time to time, terrorists exploit this fact. Those who are involved in terrorism and violence and those who participate in those organizations or provide financial support to them may sometimes exploit the excellence of European democracy as if it were a weakness,” said Gül.

So in short VP, you have a terrorist mentality, Gul is a hypocrite and Turkey is a terrorist state violating European's human rights and the standards of Europe, in Europe, even before being admitted in to the union. The pot is calling the kettle black and everyone in the EU knows it.

[Viewpoint]

How does uprooting people who have lived on the island all their lives in fact longer than fit in with the EU Principles and Human Rights you peddle, we are not off to a good start. .

it's such a bizarre and backward mentality considerring that these people first violated and uprooted the original inhabitants and violated their human rights. Now you are calling on them to forgoe their rights to afford them to the illegals. Abdullah Gul sums this kind of rationale up perfectly.

“Europe's standards of democracy, human rights and freedom of expression are very high. Unfortunately, from time to time, terrorists exploit this fact. Those who are involved in terrorism and violence and those who participate in those organizations or provide financial support to them may sometimes exploit the excellence of European democracy as if it were a weakness,” said Gül.

So in short VP, you have a terrorist mentality, Gul is a hypocrite and Turkey is a terrorist state violating European's human rights and the standards of Europe, in Europe, even before being admitted in to the union. The pot is calling the kettle black.

Hello this is not some text book type solution one size does not fit all, compromises have to be made in order to bring about a meet you half way solution, you want to get rid of all the NG TCs and we want to treat them with respect and humanely, someone who has livied in Cyprus for 39 years should have some rights escpecially if they are married to a Cypriot.

As for the original inhabitants I am all for treating them with the same mentality, in a respectful and humane manner they should be allowed to return and their property where physically possible returned or otherwise compensated at todays prices or given alternative options of TC land in the south....do you support the same? People should be free to live in which ever state they wish do you support the same?

[Maximus]

VP, if someone is married to a Cypriot, they will have some rights to reside in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

VP, if someone is married to a Cypriot, they will have some rights to reside in Cyprus.

Do you support what I support, you have to comit at some point in order to resolve issues.

[Maximus]

its taking an overwhelming majority to get through to you VP that the number of those illegal settlers who will be afforded rights is at 50,000.

In a democracy, which is another EU principle, this point would have been concluded already so we can move on but as we know, you will not copromise and afford Cypriots their democratic and human rights in their own country.

There are no compromises, you are either compatible with the European Union and the EU aquis and support this or you are not. which one is it?

[Viewpoint]

its taking an overwhelming majority to get through to you VP that the number of those illegal settlers who will be afforded rights is at 50,000.

In a democracy, which is another EU principle, this point would have been concluded already so we can move on but as we know, you will not copromise and afford Cypriots their democratic and human rights in their own country.

There are no compromises, you are either compatible with the European Union and the EU aquis and support this or you are not. which one is it?

Which part of the 50.000 is EU aquis? if you support that those born to a Cypriot parent has rights then we are 50% of the way there, now how do you view a person who through no fault of his own was born here 39 years ago? how much is throwing them out in line with EU principles and human rights?

[Maximus]

You just dont get it VP.