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[zan]

ELLAS H TEFRA!


See post above. Are you in that picture? is that why you keep posting it?

[2fan]

ELLAS H TEFRA!


See post above. Are you in that picture? is that why you keep posting it?

No Zan, Its his stupid attempt at poking fun at Turkish aspirations to join the EU. That's all. He thinks that only GCs suffered and he simply isn't worth replying to. He thinks he's a tough guy who will run at the first sight of trouble. Don't waste your time.

[Piratis]

I think you forget what came first. EOKA my friend EOKA.

EOKA came first?

Maybe you forget the refusal of the colonialist (with your support) to allow the people of Cyprus to choose in a democratic way the destiny of this island? Do you know that countries have joined the EU with a winning majority of way less than 82%?

And before that maybe you forget the centuries of Ottoman oppression? How was it ok for us to be part of the Ottoman empire for centuries, and for you, the 18%, was not OK and you could not respect the will of the great majority for union with Greece?

Sure they made mistakes, in that they did not shout loud enough to let the world know what was happening.

Oh really? So I guess the centuries of oppression that you caused to us was not a mistake. The murders by TMT was not a mistake. The 31 years of occupation is not a mistake. The ethnic cleansing you performed against us was not a mistake. Your insistence on illegality and human rights violations is not a mistake.

In the whole history that Turks and Greeks have been living together on this island you were the ones who were making the mistakes and the crimes the 95% of time, and now you come here to play the virgin Mary trying to find excuses as to why you have to continue with your criminal tradition.

[2fan]

I think you forget what came first. EOKA my friend EOKA.

EOKA came first?

Yes it did!!!!!! You conviniently keep forgetting that it was GC that wanted union with Greece. Not Turks with Turkey.

Maybe you forget the refusal of the colonialist (with your support) to allow the people of Cyprus to choose in a democratic way the destiny of this island? Do you know that countries have joined the EU with a winning majority of way less than 82%?

And before that maybe you forget the centuries of Ottoman oppression? How was it ok for us to be part of the Ottoman empire for centuries, and for you, the 18%, was not OK and you could not respect the will of the great majority for union with Greece?

I think it would have fine for Turks to be part of Greece but you have a tradition of cleansing all Greek lands of non Greek citizens. Crete is a perfect example. What do you think would have happened to TC if enosis were achieved Pirates? All Turks to the mainland-that's what. So stop spouting off about democracy and human rights when your record is deplorable at best.

Sure they made mistakes, in that they did not shout loud enough to let the world know what was happening.

Oh really? So I guess the centuries of oppression that you caused to us was not a mistake. The murders by TMT was not a mistake. The 31 years of occupation is not a mistake. The ethnic cleansing you performed against us was not a mistake. Your insistence on illegality and human rights violations is not a mistake.

The point you fail to see and refuse to accept is that GCs started this conflict and the Turks finished it. Stop making excuses about Ottoman oppression. We are talking about modern history here. You are simply trying to justify the means.

In the whole history that Turks and Greeks have been living together on this island you were the ones who were making the mistakes and the crimes the 95% of time, and now you come here to play the virgin Mary trying to find excuses as to why you have to continue with your criminal tradition.

Where the hell did you come up with this 95%????? Do you have sources or are you again pulling numbers out of your ass to justify your agenda? Please get your head out of your ass and look at reality. Sometimes you sound like an idiot.

[2fan]

The reason I am telling you all this is so that you realise that I have had friends from most parts of the world. My one GC friend, who I still see, has fought by my side and still will. He and others like him are not who I am talking about. It is the Matsakis of this world that worry me. It is the parents of one of my GC friends that never spoke to me and hated the TCs, and that was before 1974. It is the people that choose to give medals to EOKA terrorist. It is the people that play politics with our lives. It is the criminals that are backing some of these politicians. It is the people that refuse to go forward from today and except the changes that have happened because of previous mistakes and are willing to uproot thousands of people. Uproot them and move them on, in a similar fashion to the death marches of old. It is the military that bosses people about because it can and allows a corrupt government to make money through gambling, and many more.
It seems that you're not willing to see the other side of the story.

What do you say to people that say stupid things like Turks are really Gypsies and people like Alexios that go off and talk in Greek so you cannot understand and people like Raffaella who is an in your face racist……….You say……….UP YOURS.

From the first day you entered the forum you started attacking by calling me racist, from the first day!
What can someone say for this kind of attidute and behavior? If your traumas are deep and you see enemies and ghosts everywhere, I'm not to blame. Look for another scapegoat.
Turn the coin and see the other side of it as well....and better light a candle than curse the darkness.

Well if you generalize a people of being mongols there is a strong indication that you are a racist. I think perhaps that your traumas are deep and I think it is you that sees enemies and ghosts around you and it is people like you who are to blame to perpetuate hate and intollarance. Perhaps you should turn the coin on the flipside and see the other side's plight. Finally it is clear that you are in the dark.

[zan]

Piratis

Yes and my circumcised dinosaur ate your bearded dinosaur. Of course, the Greek Empire won the people over with love and honey. I had an encyclopaedia once that quoted all the good things that the Greek Empire did and painted romantic pictures about their warring triumphs. It had this to say about the Ottoman Empire: “Brought nothing to humanity”, that was it. It did not mention six hundred years of tolerance and peace in the region or even blame them for their Empire building. Maybe they will also forget thirty years of peace in Cyprus. Let’s try to stick to our own lifetime and maybe we can have an intelligent disgustion.
The rest of your rhetoric is misinformation. I have already stated that killings happened, tell me something new like how many graves that were exhumed turned out to be Turks. EOKA came first through bloodthirsty Hellenic dreams in the twentieth century, on an island that should have remained Cypriot. They are the ones that tried to kill my family and me not us them.

[zan]

2fan

I still like to think that he looks like one of those men in that picture . Or are they too good looking for him perhaps

[2fan]

2fan

I still like to think that he looks like one of those men in that picture . Or are they too good looking for him perhaps

You can not describe the uglyness of people like him because that kind of uglyness goes straight to the bone.

[BirKibrisli]

I think you forget what came first. EOKA my friend EOKA.

EOKA came first?

Maybe you forget the refusal of the colonialist (with your support) to allow the people of Cyprus to choose in a democratic way the destiny of this island? Do you know that countries have joined the EU with a winning majority of way less than 82%?

And before that maybe you forget the centuries of Ottoman oppression? How was it ok for us to be part of the Ottoman empire for centuries, and for you, the 18%, was not OK and you could not respect the will of the great majority for union with Greece?

Sure they made mistakes, in that they did not shout loud enough to let the world know what was happening.

Oh really? So I guess the centuries of oppression that you caused to us was not a mistake. The murders by TMT was not a mistake. The 31 years of occupation is not a mistake. The ethnic cleansing you performed against us was not a mistake. Your insistence on illegality and human rights violations is not a mistake.

In the whole history that Turks and Greeks have been living together on this island you were the ones who were making the mistakes and the crimes the 95% of time, and now you come here to play the virgin Mary trying to find excuses as to why you have to continue with your criminal tradition.

Piratis,

If you try to put yourself in our shoes you too wouldn't want the island to join to Turkey if we happened to be in the majority.Not in 1960,not ever given our history.That ENOSIS came first is a historical fact.You can't argue with that.But you can argue that it was wrong for the Ottoman's to conquer Cyprus in 1571.And I will agree with you.Nobody, nobody wants to be colonised by a foreign power.And it matters little how tolerant that imperial power was.You will agree that 300 years is a very long time in a nations history.If the Ottomans wanted to they could have forced assimilation,and when the time came to lease the island to the UK,there would be no Greek speaking Christians left on the island.You must give Ceasar what rightfully belongs to him.

That said,I repeat that I believe nobody ever wants to be dominated and ruled by some other nation,nomatter what.And I would be surprised if Tufan and Zan don't agree with me here.But what you guys are doing is not helping us solve the problem in 2005.You are blaming each other,and being very judgemental.We must go beyond that.
I think I know what you mean by the 95% of mistakes made by us.You really mean by the Ottoman's because they were the rulers for all that time,am I right?And Piratis you have to admit that wanting ENOSIS was a monumental mistake,which sparked off everything else that followed.
What TCs need from you is an admission that ENOSIS was a big mistake,and it is now buried in history.If you can't say that,what I want (a unified Cyprus with one dominating Cypriot national identity) cannot happen.Neither can Enosis,nor returning to the 1960 constitution,not even a BBF.What we will have is Partition.End of story.End of my dreams of living my old age in my homeland.Can you tell me who would be the winners in such a senario?

[Main_Source]

lol Blood thirsty Hellenic dreams? Its assholes like you who wish Crete was still run by Turks and cannot admit to Cyprus being a predominantly Greek island with some aspects of colonial rulers over the years.

and what is the 'Greek Empire'? could you explain this? Is this another made up assumption from Turkish propaganda...like GC are not Greek at all...or Saint Nick was an 'early Christian Turk'...or even Ayia Sophia was made by 'early Christian Turks' lol.

Also answer me this...what was the aspirations of Faizal Kucuk, seeing as though he named his political party, which was born in 1956, 'Cyprus is Turkish'???

and its very easy for you to say, 'stick to our own lifetime'...very convenient. Try asking a Black person from America or the West Indies...to forget about slavery and stick to their own lifetime. Give me a break. You oppressed us for around 350-400 years and you ask us to 'live in our own lifetime'. Try asking a native American Indian to not be bitter and live in their own lifetime.."Hey, your people were ethincally cleansed and had their homes stolen...but its ok, it happened in a previous lifetime...dont be bitter toward the people who still condone it today" (does this ring a bell to the Turks out there and who Turkey was born?).

and whats even funnier, you epect us to believe the same old crap that the Ottoman Turks were a peaceful loving race. Tell that to thousands up on thousands who were massacared in Nicosia and Famagusta when you invaded the first time. Tell that to the GC who were forced into poverty through heavy taxation, for not being Muslim.

We had every right to seek our desired destiny while under British rule....you expect us to be ruled in our own home by the Turks for hundreds of years and then by the British...while our brothers accross the Aegean were gaining independance!?