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Do you think Turkish Cypriots joining the British police force and hunting our freedom fighters down...was not a provocation to kill them??...(not ordinary TC).

[zan]

Why not just go for independance and look after both communities. Democracy does not mean completely ignoring a minority

Do you think Turkish Cypriots joining the British police force and hunting our freedom fighters down...was not a provocation to kill them??...(not ordinary TC).

What would you do. Over 80% of the population of whom only a small persentage want to join with a country that has bad relations with you for centuries and are not only killing the English and your people but they are killing their own who oppose them.

[bg_turk]

We were both talking about history not what we want today, but apparently you missed this "detail". Why you missed it?

So you say you were defending the GCs right for "enosis" in the past. Do GCs have the right for enosis now? If no, what is the difference between now and then? Why did GCs have the right for enosis then, and not any more? Why did you at all feel the urge to defend enosis?

Zan,

thanks for writing. I appreciate your input. It is nice to hear from someone who has actually experience the events.

[bg_turk]

Do you actually think that those Turks know what is the internet ??

ELLASito,

since you always help me by correcting my English, I feel it would only be fair if I return the favor.
I think the correct formulation of your question should be:

Do you actually think that those Turks know what the internet is??

I hope this helps

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Why not just go for independance and look after both communities. Democracy does not mean completely ignoring a minority

Independance was not an option until around 1959...besides, we werent really given full independance...it was granted with a condition that gave TC special rights and the British its bases. When we granted so called 'independance', Makarios went for it because it was our best option. It was the EOKA B terrorists who wanted Enosis way after we were given independance...and the TMT terrorists also added to the problems.

Anyway, If we were ruled by forign leaders for so long...what is wrong if we wanted to break away from oppressive rule and join Greece like other Greek islands.

What would you do. Over 80% of the population of whom only a small persentage want to join with a country that has bad relations with you for centuries and are not only killing the English and your people but they are killing their own who oppose them

A large majority of GC wanted Enosis while we were subjected to British opression.

Its your ancestors who brought the trouble to us...the GC wanted a return to Greek unity like before the Turks and British came. As for the British, they opressed us, embarrassed us and killed us too. Shit, how many other countries have fought off the British!?

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So you say you were defending the GCs right for "enosis" in the past. Do GCs have the right for enosis now? If no, what is the difference between now and then? Why did GCs have the right for enosis then, and not any more? Why did you at all feel the urge to defend enosis?

See this just proves you have been writing things u know nothing about. You think life in Cyprus is the same now as it was in the 50's!?

Its simple BG Turk...during the 1950's we were ruled by the British and we didnt want that...we had enough of being ruled by foreign powers like he British and Turks. We wanted a unity with other Greeks like we had before the foreign invaders came.

[bg_turk]

Its simple BG Turk...during the 1950's we were ruled by the British and we didnt want that...we had enough of being ruled by foreign powers like he British and Turks. We wanted a unity with other Greeks like we had before the foreign invaders came.

But do you think GCs have the right for ENOSIS now?
You said it was their democratic right in the 50s, is it still their democratic right?
Note that I am not asking if you want it, I am asking if you believe you have the right to seek ENOSIS now.

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It's as much our democratic right now as it was their democratic right to vote for the Annan plan or to vote of the next colour of the RoC football kit. It doesnt mean the vote will go through or even take place. Under the British rule, things were bleak, people were poor and we suffered embarrasment at being ruled by foreign powers. Things in Cyprus are very different now.

The Enosis movement is dead because there is no need for it now. Sure there are is a tiny minority of the older generation who may want it...but as a whole, the longing to join with Greece is 95% dead compared to how it was in the 1950's.

Greek Cypriots have their own identity as Cypriots now and have a respected place in the international community...this wasnt the case back then. Even the GC who identify themselves as being Greek ethnically will simply call themselves Cypriots now. The whole scaremongering about modern day Enosis is put in place by Turkish propaganda to scare TC into not wanting to be a part of the RoC and subsequently create division on the island.

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EVEN IN THE CRAZY, FAR OUT AND UNREALISTIC EVENTUALITY THAT CYPRUS DID JOIN GREECE...do you really think Greece, who has helped Turkey out over the past 10 years and no longer has a Junta in power...would start to kill TC!?

With all the media attention and focus on Cyprus and experience of previous mistakes...you really think such tensions between the two communities would be such an issue. The most tensions you would get are scarce racial outbreaks...which is down to ignorance and would most probably decrease over a period of time if a good unification plan is put in place which made the two able to live side by side....not a plan which gave TC special rights....That happend before and look what happened. You cannot make GC suffer in their own home because they are the majority community.

[BirKibrisli]

EVEN IN THE CRAZY, FAR OUT AND UNREALISTIC EVENTUALITY THAT CYPRUS DID JOIN GREECE...do you really think Greece, who has helped Turkey out over the past 10 years and no longer has a Junta in power...would start to kill TC!?

With all the media attention and focus on Cyprus and experience of previous mistakes...you really think such tensions between the two communities would be such an issue. The most tensions you would get are scarce racial outbreaks...which is down to ignorance and would most probably decrease over a period of time if a good unification plan is put in place which made the two able to live side by side....not a plan which gave TC special rights....That happend before and look what happened. You cannot make GC suffer in their own home because they are the majority community.

Source,
I am on record for wanting a unitary state in Cyprus with one vote one value system with proper safeguards (Anti Discrimination and Equal opportunity Commissions and Human rights commissions etc).But I am in the minority among TCs on this matter.Do you think a Bizonal Bicultural Federation would work,or do you prefer a confederation of two independent states? What in your opinion is the key to stop the same racial tensions from coming to surface again after a solution?