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[Pyrpolizer]

Hello MrfromNg, how are you, welcome back...

There was a lot of reaction locally for that article which admittedly contains Turkish propaganda like:
"Such a deal, brokered by the UN, appeared within reach in 2004 when Turkish Cypriots approved it in a referendum. But Greek Cypriots, certain of being admitted into the EU no matter how they voted, rejected the plan."

Anyway, with this guy Anastasiades there is a high possibility imo that the CP will be solved in a DOUBLE ENOSIS fashion.Since your retirement will start in about 5 years you will have adequate time to judge if this is what you wanted for your home country, and whether it worths spending the rest of your life in Cyprus.
I don't have positive hopes, sorry.

Hi pyrpolizer,
I'm fine thanks, I hope you're keeping well too. I have read a few articles about the elections and in particular about Anastasiades. I also believe this candidate, if elected may have the desire to end this mess we've been living for over 50 years.

All I can say is this. I love Cyprus and would love to retire there and obviously it would be in the north, but as thing are at the moment I would have to be out of my mind to even consider it. I know of 3 families that settled there last year, all 3 are back in the UK now suffering huge financial losses. The place is in a serious mess and anyone saying the place is a bed of roses is simply living in denial.

All we can do is just wait and see my friend. You are always welcome back as far as I am concerned and you have every right to live within your own people and enjoy your pension time.

[bill cobbett]

Well, if we come up with an equitable settlement, that's to say equitable in terms of the Territory split, one that respects everyone's human rights (as per the ECHR)

...based on a Governance of two semi-autonomous zones under a strong Federal government and with NO foreign guarantees, all in all a CY Settlement for CYs and no one else, ...

...We could Resolve CyProb within 5 Hours.

i am not so sure you can say semi autonomous zones under a federal government...a state is more of an appropriate term...simply means politicians elected serve the people within the state's boundary lines...just like what victoria is to australia...we are not a semi autonomous zone...we are a state...and why stop at 2 states, why not more?...why should someone nicosia decide what paphos gets?...

having more than 2 states will probably facilitate the territory split...splitting the occupied in 2 pcs where along with another 4 states will have to compete with each other for funds, investments, etc...at the federal level...

and get away from north and south or turkish and greek state names...it's a horrible way to be classed....

Don't like using the word "state" cos some people (the partitionists) take it and run with it in to another context, to the equally valid meaning in English of "country".

... and don't have a problem with a muti-zonal arrangement of several zones.

[Viewpoint]

So let's get rid of this term "checks and balances" which in reality is something mostly related to the 3 main branches of a democratic system be it legislative-executive-judicial.

Regulations is not a good term either (by bad) the correct term should be laws. Executive departments and administrative bodies write regulations to implement the authority of laws.For example getting a driving license is a regulation, been forced to label the cigarettes you are selling with warnings about cancer is a regulation also, which I personally don't even know from which law they derive.
And surprise-surprise both Laws and Regulations and law enforceable, and they can drag you to courts if you disobey.
The weird thing about it all is that while laws pass through the parliaments for voting, regulations DON'T. In fact there could be upto 1000 regulations that some ministry has decided by itself for implementing one single law.

So dear VP all you can have in a solution is a constitution and a set of basic laws regarding the powers and functions of the Federal bodies and their legislative-executive-judicial branches. The checks and balances of these branches will be within the basic laws of the agreement and the constitution.
Attached to the solution will most probably be the majority of laws and regulations of the RoC, plus all laws and regulations of your administration that are not conflicting to those of the RoC or the EU aquis, or to the content of the agreement.

Is this what you want or is it something else?
Please make sure you use the right terms so that we can talk the same language be it checks and Balances, Laws or Regulations.

Btw the EU issues laws by voting that she calls "Regulations" which are also enforceable in all member states. I have absolutely no idea why they call them regulations instead of laws....

Pyro you are just playing with words trying to sound clever but you have taken the long route to agree with me that in fact any solution has to contain laws, regulations, clear precise guidelines, enforcement clauses, penalties, guarantees basically what I like to call "checks and balances" to ensure each side is forced to adhere to whatever solution is agreed between the 2 states and understand the penalties if they choose to renege. Now are we in agreement on this issue?

We can start with a few laws at federal level;

Federal Laws
The documents below were finalised by a technical committee on laws formed by the two sides and chaired by the United Nations. The UN, with the assistance of the Parties, is conducting quality assurance checks on all laws. The corrected version authenticated by the United Nations will be the final authoritative text, and will be posted on the website shortly.


ANNEX III: FEDERAL LAWS

The attachments to this Annex shall be federal legislation upon entry into force of the Foundation Agreement, able to be amended in accordance with the Constitution.

ATTACHMENT 1:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE ANTHEM, FLAG, INSIGNIA AND HONOURS OF THE UNITED CYPRUS REPUBLIC

ATTACHMENT 2:
FEDERAL LAW ON CONDUCT OF EXTERNAL RELATIONS

ATTACHMENT 3:
FEDERAL LAW ON CONDUCT OF EUROPEAN UNION RELATIONS

Law 1: Federal Law on Conduct of European Union Relations
Law 2: Federal Law on the Application of Certain Federal Laws Transposing the European Union Acquis

ATTACHMENT 4:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE CITIZENSHIP OF THE UNITED CYPRUS REPUBLIC AND FOR MATTERS CONNECTED THEREWITH OR INCIDENTAL THERETO

ATTACHMENT 5:
FEDERAL LAWS ON ALIENS, IMMIGRATION AND ASYLUM

Law 1: Federal Law on Aliens and Immigration
Law 2: Federal Law on the International Protection of Aliens and the Implementation of the 1951 Geneva Convention on the Status of Refugees and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees
Law 3: Federal Law on the Freedom of Movement and Residence of European Union Citizens and Members of their Families
Law 4: Federal Law on the Extradition of Fugitives
Law 5: Federal Law on the European Arrest Warrant and the Surrender Procedures between Member States of the European Union

ATTACHMENT 6:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE CENTRAL BANK OF CYPRUS

ATTACHMENT 7:
FEDERAL LAW ON VALUE-ADDED TAX

ATTACHMENT 8:
FEDERAL LAWS ON THE BUDGET

ATTACHMENT 9:
FEDERAL LAWS ON INTERNATIONAL TRADE, CUSTOMS AND EXCISE

Law 1: Federal Law on Trade
Law 2: Federal Law on Customs Code
Law 3: Federal Law on Excise Duties
Law 4: Federal Law on Mutual Assistance for the Recovery of Claims Relating to Certain Levies, Duties, Taxes and other Measures (and Regulations)

ATTACHMENT 10:
FEDERAL LAW ON CIVIL AVIATION AND AIRSPACE MANAGEMENT

ATTACHMENT 11:
FEDERAL LAWS ON INTERNATIONAL NAVIGATION, TERRITORIAL WATERS, AND CONTINENTAL SHELF

Law 1: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Registration of Ships, Sales and Mortgages)
Law 1A: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Directorate of Maritime Affairs)
Law 2: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Masters and Seamen)
Law 3: Federal Law on Cyprus Ships (Prohibition of Certain Transportations)
Law 4: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Fees and Taxing Provisions) Federal Law on High Speed Small Vessels
Law 5: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Safe Manning, Hours of Work and Watchkeeping)
Law 6: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Criminal and Disciplinary Liability of Seafarers, Suspension or Cancellation of Certificates)
Law 7: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Medical Examination of Seafarers and Issue of Medical Fitness Certificates)
Law 8: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Registration of Seafarers and Seafarers Register)
Law 9: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Issue and Recognition of Certificates and Marine Training)
Law 10: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Recognition and Authorisation of Organisations)
Law 11: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Port State Control)
Law 12: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Marine Equipment)
Law 13: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Harmonised Safety Regime for Fishing Vessels of 24 Metres and over)
Law 14: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Registration of Persons Sailing on Board Passenger Ships)
Law 15: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Safety Rules and Standards for Passenger Ships)
Law 16: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Mandatory Surveys for the Safe Operation of Regular Ro-Ro Ferry and High-Speed Passenger Craft Services)
Law 17: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Minimum Safety and Health Requirements for Work on Board Cyprus Fishing Vessels)
Law 18: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Minimum Requirements for Medical Treatment on Board Vessels)
Law 19: Federal Law on Cyprus Admiralty Jurisdiction
Law 20: Federal Law on Emergency Powers (Control of Small Vessels)
Law 21: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Safety of Non Conventions Ships)
Law 22: Federal Law on the Carriage of Goods by Sea
Law 23: Federal Law on Wrecks
Law 24: Federal Law on Shipwrecked Passengers
Law 25: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention on Load Lines
Law 26: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention for the International Maritime Organisation
Law 27: Federal Law on the Implementation of the Convention on International Regulations for Preventing Collisions At Sea, 1972, as amended
Law 28: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention on Standards of Training, Certification and Watchkeeping for Seafarers
Law 29: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea
Law 30: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention on Tonnage Measurement of Ships, 1969
Law 31: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention for the Unification of Certain Rules Concerning the Unity Of State Ships
Law 32: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention on Civil Liability for Oil Pollution Damage 1969
Law 33: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention for the Prevention of Pollution of the Sea from Ships
Law 34: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention on the Establishment of an International Fund for Compensation for Oil Pollution Damage
Law 35: Federal Law on the Implementation of the Special Trade Passenger Ships Agreement
Law 36: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention for the Prevention of Pollution of the Sea by Dumping of Waste and other Matters
Law 37: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention for the Unification of Certain Rules Concerning Civil Jurisdiction in Matters of Collision of Ships
Law 38: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention for Unification of Certain Rules Relating to Penal Jurisdiction in Matters of Collision or other Incidents of Navigation
Law 39: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention for the Maritime Search and Rescue
Law 40: Federal Law on the Implementation of the Convention fixing the Minimum Age for the Admission of Children to Employment at Sea
Law 41: Federal Law on the Implementation of the Convention concerning the Repatriation of Seamen
Law 42: Federal Law on the Implementation of the Convention of the International Labour Organisation No. 147 Concerning Merchant Shipping (Minimum Standards)
Law 43: Federal Law on the Implementation of the Convention concerning Crew Accommodation on Board Ships
Law 44: Federal Law on the Implementation of the International Convention of Safe Containers
Law 45: Federal Law on the Implementation of the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Maritime Navigation
Law 46: Federal Law on the Maritime Areas of Cyprus
Law 47: Federal Law on the Continental Shelf of Cyprus
Law 48: Federal Law on Merchant Shipping (Organisation of Working Time of Seafarers)

ATTACHMENT 12:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE NATURAL WATER RESOURCES OF THE UNITED CYPRUS REPUBLIC, FOR EQUITABLE SHARING OF THESE RESOURCES BETWEEN THE CONSTITUENT STATES AND FOR PURPOSES CONNECTED THEREWITH

ATTACHMENT 13:
FEDERAL LAW ON NATURAL RESOURCES

Law 1: Federal Law on the Prospecting, Exploration and Exploitation of Hydrocarbons
Law 2: Federal Law on Mines and Quarries

ATTACHMENT 14:
FEDERAL LAWS ON IMPLEMENTATION OF FEDERAL LAWS

Law 1: Federal Law on the Issuing of Regulations
Law 2: Federal Law on Implementation of Federal Laws by Constituent State Authorities

ATTACHMENT 15:
FEDERAL LAWS ON COMMUNICATIONS

Law 1: Federal Law on the Legislative Framework governing the Radio communications sector

Law 2: Federal Law on the Regulation of Electronic Communication and Postal Services

ATTACHMENT 16:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE OF CYPRUS AND TO PROVIDE FOR ITS FUNCTIONS AND FOR PURPOSES CONNECTED THEREWITH

ATTACHMENT 17:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE ESTABLISHMENT OF STANDARDS OF WEIGHTS AND MEASURES BASED ON THE METRIC SYSTEM AND TO PROVIDE FOR MATTERS CONNECTED THEREWITH OR INCIDENTAL THERETO

ATTACHMENT 18:
FEDERAL LAWS ON INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

Law 1: Federal Law on the Legal Protection of Copyright and Neighbouring Rights
Law 2: Federal Law on the Legal Protection of Topographies of Semiconductor Products
Law 3: Federal Law on Trade Marks
Law 4: Federal Law on Patent
Law 5: Federal Law on the Legal Protection of Industrial Designs and Models
Law 6: Federal Law on the Registration and Protection of Geographical Indications and Designations of Origin of Agricultural Products and Foodstuffs
Law 7: Federal Law on the Control of Movement of Goods which Infringe Intellectual Property Rights

ATTACHMENT 19:
FEDERAL LAWS ON ANTIQUITIES

Law 1: Federal Law on Antiquities
Law 2: Federal Law on the Return of Cultural Objects
Law 3: Federal Law on the Export of Cultural Objects

ATTACHMENT 20:
FEDERAL LAWS ON ELECTIONS

Law 1: Federal Law on the Members of Parliament (Senate and the Chamber of Deputies) (Transitional Provisions)
Law 2: Federal Law on the Members of Parliament (Senate and the Chamber of Deputies)
Law 3: Federal Law on Elections to the European Parliament

ATTACHMENT 21:
FEDERAL LAW ON FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IMMUNITIES AND EXEMPTIONS

ATTACHMENT 22:
FEDERAL LAWS ON ADMINISTRATION

Law 1: Federal Law on the Functioning of the Public Service Commission, for the Appointment, Promotion and Retirement of Public Officers, and for Conditions of Service, Disciplinary Proceedings and other Matters relating to the Public Service
Law 2: Federal Law on Pensions

ATTACHMENT 23:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGES OF THE UNITED CYPRUS REPUBLIC

ATTACHMENT 24:
FEDERAL LAW ON FEDERAL POLICE AND JOINT INVESTIGATION AGENCY

Law 1: Federal Law on the organization, discipline, powers and duties of the Federal Police and for matters incidental thereto
Law 2: Federal Law on Joint Investigation Agency

ATTACHMENT 25:
FEDERAL LAW ON LEGISLATIVE PROCEDURE AND ON PROCEDURE FOR AMENDMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION

ATTACHMENT 26:
FEDERAL LAWS ON ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE

Law 1: Federal Law on Adminstration of Justice
Law 2: Federal Law on Civil Procedure
Law 3: Federal Law on Criminal Procedure
Law 4: Federal Law on Evidence

ATTACHMENT 27:
FEDERAL LAW ON FEDERAL OFFENCES

Law 1: Federal Law on Terrorism
Law 2: Federal Law on Drug Trafficking
Law 3: Federal Law on the Prevention and Suppression of Money Laundering
Law 4: Federal Law on the General Principles of Criminal Law
Law 5: Federal Law on Organised Crime

ATTACHMENT 28:
FEDERAL LAW ON IMPEACHMENT

ATTACHMENT 29:
FEDERAL LAWS ON THE AWARD OF CONTRACTS

Law 1: Federal Law on the Award of Public Contracts (Supply, Works and Services)
Law 2: Federal Law on the Award of Public Contracts (Supply, Works and Services) of Entities Operating in the Water, Energy, Transport and Telecommunications Sectors and for Other Related Matters

ATTACHMENT 30:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE PROTECTION OF PERSONAL DATA

ATTACHMENT 31:
FEDERAL LAWS ON REGULATION OF CAPITAL MARKETS

Law 1: Federal Law on Insider Dealing, Market Manipulation (Market Abuse) and Related Issues
Law 2: Federal Law on Prospectus to be Published when Securities are Offered to the Public or Admitted to Trading in a Regulated Market
Law 3: Federal Law on the Operation of Investment Advisory Firms, and other Related Issues
Law 4: Federal Law on Public Offering for the acquisition or purchase of securities and mergers of listed companies
Law 5: Federal Law on the Control of Concentrations between Undertakings
Law 6: Federal Law on Cyprus Securities and Exchange Commission
Law 7: Federal Law on Settlement Finality in Payment Systems and Security Settlement Systems
Law 8: Federal Law on Investment Firms
Law 9: Federal Law on the Open-ended Undertakings for Collective Investment in Transferable Securities (UCITS) and Related Issues

ATTACHMENT 32:
FEDERAL LAWS ON REGULATION OF INSURANCE MARKETS

ATTACHMENT 33:
FEDERAL LAWS ON BANKING

ATTACHMENT 34:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE CONTROL OF CONCENTRATIONS BETWEEN UNDERTAKINGS FOR THE PURPOSES OF EFFECTIVE COMPETITION

ATTACHMENT 35:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE PROTECTION OF COMPETITION

Just a few what I like to call "checks and balances" from the AP:wink:

But I agree with you Pyro we need plenty more to keep both sides in check.

PS Watch Pyro take a step backwards....

[repulsewarrior]

...we are talking about Kikapu's plan, aren't we? (weren't we?)

...even my manifesto (thingy), vp agrees to most of the articles.

yiavash, yiavash, we are actually very near.

vp, your fear is unreasonable, although i understand your pain it is a two way street, and to overcome it you must be willing, yourself, to change as well.

...we are here for Cyprus, all of us, even vp. more sooner than later i hope the north and the south can benefit from their affection for its beauty not always at the brink of war, an island that they love and that they are Free to love, an island that belongs to them because they belong to it. this is natural, treating it as Property, something "Greek"/"Turkish" is not valid, as we have seen countlessly over the years, Turkey's logic is flawed, and yet there must exist a Cypriot State, it cannot be a Greek state, (to satisfy the interlocutors) and to be a 'Perfect' state, the solution, a BBF, must act as a template that can be emulated, even by Turkey, at which point it will be impossible for her to refuse. like bill says, it could take five hours, with Cyprus, first.

...a pile of paper does not a Plan make. but after the Annan, maybe new thinking, not just Turkey's eh vp, something which gives us Freedom, as Cypriots, and Liberty as Persons too, i think is actually not that hard with the right frame of mind. something where standing united is more important, because we love Cyprus, and it benefits this island as a place where we can live in Peace, something which is honest because above all we are Human Beings.

[SKI-preo]

Being a GC of course you would say this, how do you think that makes us feel?[/quote]

how do you think napalm feels?

[Pyrpolizer]

ANNEX III: FEDERAL LAWS
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ATTACHMENT 35:
FEDERAL LAW ON THE PROTECTION OF COMPETITION

Just a few what I like to call "checks and balances" from the AP:wink:

But I agree with you Pyro we need plenty more to keep both sides in check.

PS Watch Pyro take a step backwards....

Why should I take a step backwards? That's common sense.The content of those laws however will depend on what will be agreed to be the solution, territory of each fed state, the matter of properties, settlers, returns of refugees, free business, free settlement, free association etc.

If this is what you call checks and balances then I am sorry to say, you are losing your time mentioning it all the time in this forum. Even your own administration has it's checks and balances otherwise it would not be able to function and it would turn into dictatorship.Not that it doesn't turn into Dictatorship whenever the Ambassador steps in i.e

The point is that these checks and balances are inborn to any democratic system that distinguishes the 3 branches of Government and also inborn to a Democratic Federal Structure.

The penalties you talk about are also automatic, I mean when one of the 2 sides bridges the agreement or does not abide to Fed laws or bridges EU laws etc would imo automatically cause a crisis and possibly dissolve the state.I have no problem setting the consequences of such actions within the agreement/constitution/solution. I don't want military guarantees though, so feel free to list what the consequences should be. Waiting your list, it's about time you clarify these points

[Viewpoint]

Now we are makng progress after your word games, "checks and balances" are constructed according to the overall solution, additions can be made to ensure commitment, force each side to meet its obligations and clearly define the consequences.

Guarantees appear to be a very bold red line for the TCs, No guarantees consequence would be no solution.

You have to counter propose to win the TCs around to dumping their guarantees because for us the guarantees refers to our security in times of crisis, our life line, how do you expect us to just throw this away without an effective alternative?

[Pyrpolizer]

Now we are makng progress after your word games, "checks and balances" are constructed according to the overall solution, additions can be made to ensure commitment, force each side to meet its obligations and clearly define the consequences.

Guarantees appear to be a very bold red line for the TCs, No guarantees consequence would be no solution.

You have to counter propose to win the TCs around to dumping their guarantees because for us the guarantees refers to our security in times of crisis, our life line, how do you expect us to just throw this away without an effective alternative?

Words have meaning. So far we were hearing you talking about checks and balances for which you actually had no clue whatsoever that they are actually included in the system. Additions to ensure commitment, force each side to meet its obligations and clearly define the consequences are not checks and balances are just terms of the agreement. I have no problem to see such terms, although in reality i doubt there will be any clauses describing the consequences.

Guarantees:If you mean Turkish Guarantees that's a red line for the security of GCs. We have seen how they were interpreted in the past. How would you like Grivas or Sampson to be set as our Guarantor for example. Therefore you have to choose some alternative Guarantees if you really need them.

You haven't answered my question what are the additions you want to ensure commitment, force each side to meet its obligations and clearly define the consequences.
I also have another question: What do you think should be the consequences in case Turkey doesn't oblige to the agreement, does not withdraw troops, settlers refuse to leave and your Fed State does nothing about it... I could fill up at least 100 questions. So what do you think should be the consequences for your side???

[Viewpoint]

pyro

Words have meaning. So far we were hearing you talking about checks and balances for which you actually had no clue whatsoever that they are actually included in the system. Additions to ensure commitment, force each side to meet its obligations and clearly define the consequences are not checks and balances are just terms of the agreement. I have no problem to see such terms, although in reality i doubt there will be any clauses describing the consequences.

Words do have meaning so let leave the technicality side of things to the experts we are dicussing in general what we want see included in a solution getting bogged down in the technicalities will only deter from reaching any sort of agreement. We are all aware that the agreed laws cover the majority of "checks and balances" but my referal is for those checks and balances such as for example quotas on the number of GCs allowed to move north staggnated over a sepeficied number of years or the balances and checks to bring the economy in line with south (not to sure if we want this now).

You accepting such checks and balances is imo in itself a move forward, but would other GCs think the same way?

Guarantees:If you mean Turkish Guarantees that's a red line for the security of GCs. We have seen how they were interpreted in the past. How would you like Grivas or Sampson to be set as our Guarantor for example. Therefore you have to choose some alternative Guarantees if you really need them.

You can have who ever you want because I am confident that I will not do anythign that will make it necessary for you guarantor to step in, why arent you showing the same confidence or do you have other hidden agendas?

You haven't answered my question what are the additions you want to ensure commitment, force each side to meet its obligations and clearly define the consequences.
I also have another question: What do you think should be the consequences in case Turkey doesn't oblige to the agreement, does not withdraw troops, settlers refuse to leave and your Fed State does nothing about it... I could fill up at least 100 questions. So what do you think should be the consequences for your side???

There has to be a binding agreements showing commitiment to the solution from both sides (eg like the AP), if the agreed measures are reneged on then for example and these are just examples dont fly off in a rage 1.the UN can send in troops, 2. Turkeys EU applicaiton can be scrapped 3.There can be embargoes on Turkey 4.The GCs lose any chance of a unitary state in the future, off the top of my head many more can be found by experts in this field of international agreements.

What do you think the consequences should be for your side if they do not conform to an agreement?

[B25]

Now we are makng progress after your word games, "checks and balances" are constructed according to the overall solution, additions can be made to ensure commitment, force each side to meet its obligations and clearly define the consequences.

Guarantees appear to be a very bold red line for the TCs, No guarantees consequence would be no solution.

You have to counter propose to win the TCs around to dumping their guarantees because for us the guarantees refers to our security in times of crisis, our life line, how do you expect us to just throw this away without an effective alternative?

Words have meaning. So far we were hearing you talking about checks and balances for which you actually had no clue whatsoever that they are actually included in the system. Additions to ensure commitment, force each side to meet its obligations and clearly define the consequences are not checks and balances are just terms of the agreement. I have no problem to see such terms, although in reality i doubt there will be any clauses describing the consequences.

Guarantees:If you mean Turkish Guarantees that's a red line for the security of GCs. We have seen how they were interpreted in the past. How would you like Grivas or Sampson to be set as our Guarantor for example. Therefore you have to choose some alternative Guarantees if you really need them.

You haven't answered my question what are the additions you want to ensure commitment, force each side to meet its obligations and clearly define the consequences.
I also have another question: What do you think should be the consequences in case Turkey doesn't oblige to the agreement, does not withdraw troops, settlers refuse to leave and your Fed State does nothing about it... I could fill up at least 100 questions. So what do you think should be the consequences for your side???

Pyro, it is not what? But Whom. To date, there has been no one to stand up to Turkey, not UN, EU, USA, Def not UK, so you see they fear nothing, because there are no serious consequences.
Everything else is just academic.